Ah One: it's a conundrum, ALison. I keep swaying between more or less
'expression' in a reading. I think 'spoken word artists' as they type
themselves, are much more into something near to 'acting' (acting out?)
their lyrics/tales. whatever. At any rate, speculation is good,
whatever each one of us might actually do.
Two: no, no, stay around, I'm enjoying all the meanders of these
threads....
Doug
On 8-Jun-07, at 4:20 PM, Alison Croggon wrote:
> Old hobby horse here. (I _did_ change the title of this thread, after
> all...)
>
> Anny: Joe said that the theatrical I was not problematised in the way
> the
> poetic lyric I is. ("The I in the theater is certainly interesting,
> but it
> is not the problematized lyric I this discussion began with.") I gave
> a few
> example where the I is deeply problematised in ways that run parallel
> to the
> problematised lyric I. Capiche?
>
> One question: do all of you think that speculations about the body and
> spoken utterance are utterly irrelevant to poetry (and particularly to
> lyric?)
>
> Question two: shall I get off this list and leave you all in slumbrous
> peace? Enthusiasm doesn't seem to go down well here -
>
> Puckishly
>
> A
>
>
>
>
>
> On 6/9/07, MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone else interested in the "lyrical we"? To me, it
>> divides modernism from its latter-day manifestations
>> (but NOT postmodernism). The reason why the "I" in To
>> Pollen is so shocking is that Prynne seems to have
>> rejected "I" for "we" a long time ago. What's bringing
>> it back, I wonder?
>>
>> Candice
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> > On 6/8/07, Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > > Alison wrote: It's hard to avoid the word "I" in a
>> > play. And the "lyric I"
>> > > in writing for theatre is particularly
>> > interesting, and perhaps
>> > > illuminating. Beckett's Not
>> > > I, for example... "
>> > >
>> > > I was just noting that the subject of the
>> > discussion had shifted. The I in
>> > > the theater is certainly interesting, but it is
>> > not the problematized lyric
>> > > I this discussion began with. That's fine, it is
>> > the way discussion go. I
>> > > was just making a note of it. (As anyone can see:
>> > we're now off on the
>> > > subject of the body in theater!)
>> > >
>> > > jd
>> >
>> >
>> > Well, yes. I can see Alison's hobby horse cantering
>> > by (^_^)
>> > >
>> > > --
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>> >
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