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Faerie/Human :: British/English

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"James C. Nohrnberg" <[log in to unmask]>

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Fri, 11 May 2007 16:12:36 -0400

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The rapist-satyr who fathers Sir Satyrane on Thyamis also counts as 
miscegenous:  Nature recruits from culture, and culture recruits from 
nature.   But this divided laterality is also a matter of women in one of 
two clans being defined as sisters, and women in the other clan being 
defined as wives.  Note, for example, that Despair counsels Redcrosse to 
die, "die soone, O faeries sonne" (I.ix.47), while Contemplation promises 
him enrollment among the saints as Patron Saint of the English (I.x.61), he 
being "sprong out from English race, / How euer now accompted Elfins sonne" 
(60), even while he also can expect to be "eternized" in "th'immortal booke 
of fame" laid up in the capital of the Fairy Queen (59).  The Analogy treats 
the matter theoretically, with the help of Michel Foucault, F.M. Cornford, 
Levy-Bruhl, and Plato's Symposium (on daemons), at pp. 779-82 (see also p. 
733, in the paragraph continuing from the preceding page, and Spenser on 
Genius at FQ II.xii.47, where a genius resembles what a Christian would call 
a patron saint or guardian angel); it is proposed there AnFQ, 780) that 
Britomart's being half-Welsh counts as "faerie" blood, vs. Artegall's 
"English."  The union of Arthur (British) and Gloriana (Faerie) can only be 
consummated where the parallel tracks meet, at the vanishing point on the 
horizon of the poem.  Finally, even where it is not a question of gens, the 
matter is dynastic (as in the first sentence above)--and that is the point 
of the changeling boy in Midsummer Night's Dream as if a parallel for 
Fleance vs. Malcolm in Macbeth. --Jim N.

On Fri, 11 May 2007 14:18:24 -0400
  "Foley, Stephen Merriam" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> This is not precisely what you are looking, David, for in terms of FQ 
>species (elf and human), but since the episode of Marinel, Cymoent, Proteus 
>et al. occupies and defines the border at this place in FQ, might not the 
>cross-species one-night stand of Cymoent (nymph, the complying wave that 
>bends to the shore), and Dumarin (the rapacious human sailor-knight who is 
>taken with her love and takes her by beating that same shore with violent 
>waves) mark miscegenation, with Spenser's consequent emphasis on both 
>naming Marinel as a "knight" and revealing the story of his nymphatic 
>orgin, whatever a nymph is while making this mama's boy bear only papa's 
>name?
> 
> 
> His mother was the blacke-browd Cymoent,
> The daughter of great Nereus, which did beare
> This warlike sonne vnto an earthly peare,
> The famous Dumarin; who on a day
>Finding the Nymph a sleepe in secret wheare,
> As he by chaunce did wander that same way,
> Was taken with her loue, and by her closely lay.
> 
> There he this knight of her begot, whom borne
> She of his father Marinell did name,
> And in a rocky caue as wight forlorne,
> Long time she fostred vp, till he became
> A mightie man at armes, and mickle fame
> Did get through great aduentures by him donne...
> 
> Hints of a rocky cave to come?  Secret "wheare"?  where?  weir?  So do his 
>nymphatic orgins make him a warrior or merely war-like?  What is a "wight" 
>in ethnographic terms besides forlorne.  How does a birth mother also 
>foster her own child.  And how does this half-breed become a man, or does 
>he?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>From: Sidney-Spenser Discussion List on behalf of David L. Miller
> Sent: Fri 5/11/2007 1:29 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: miscegenation
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone on the list can recall any point in the FQ that
> would confirm, or even suggest, a consummated cross-species union
> between Elf or Fay and human.
> 
> The question occurs to me in connection with Arthur's quest,
> especiallly is it is "mirrored," so to speak, in Britomart's.  Britomart
> is devastated in part because she fears she has fallen in love with
> nothing but an image; and isn't that just Arthur's predicament?  In
> III.iiii, when Merlin identifies Arthegall to Britomart and Glauce, he
> gives a lot of emphasis to the fact that although the kinight "wonneth
> in land of Fayeree," he "ios no Fary borne, ne sib at all / To Elfes,
> but sprong of seed terrestriall."
> 
> It sounds to me as if part of what Merlin is saying, here, is that
> Arthegall is a possible sexual partner for Britomart after all.  Hence
> the question about cross-species liaisons.

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James Nohrnberg
Dept. of English, Bryan Hall 219
Univ. of Virginia
P.O Box 400121
Charlottesville, VA 22904-4121

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