To, hopefully, not add to the confusion: the text by the Marquise is my
present signature, written in the 18th C - no commentary on Berryman
intended!
I agree with J.G. about "Mr Tambourine Man", which still does it for me
- it's not "profound", it's a certain mood caught on the wing, a lyric
song, not a paper poem. I like trippy, mesel', if it's disillusioned, as
here.
I said more or less the same about the cyclical thing in my last,
Stephen, so agree with you there. He's gonna sock it to us again.
mj
joe green wrote:
>No point. Any significance imposed. Didn't hit the water. That's it.
>
>But then that point of no point that fits into ideas of "trippy" has much to do with the song. Imposed from outside -- set of expectations disappointed but there is a world elsewhere. Works in another way. Ok, for example, to be "squishy" and so leaving the set of conventions implied behind.
>
>Chester was an old professor by then. Reluctant to mention all of that. Maybe throwing that fact out to undercut the usual stories. Maybe just a fact. Missed the water.
>
>Though you might hear laughin', spinnin', swingin' madly across the sun,
> It's not aimed at anyone, it's just escapin' on the run
> And but for the sky there are no fences facin'.
> And if you hear vague traces of skippin' reels of rhyme
> To your tambourine in time, it's just a ragged clown behind,
> I wouldn't pay it any mind, it's just a shadow you're
> Seein' that he's chasing.
>
>
>Joseph Duemer <[log in to unmask]> wrote: Joe, & I was an undergrad at the University of Washington shortly after
>Roethke died. It was apparently written into the contract of every new
>professor in the English Department that they had to mention him at least
>once a quarter. My point is, what's your point?
>
>And I stand by my judgment: "Mr. Tambourine Man" is squishy & trippy, not in
>a good way. And I say that as a devoted Dylan fan.
>
>jd
>
>On 5/7/07, Stephen Vincent wrote:
>
>
>>>Il ne faut pas toujours conter,
>>>Citer,
>>>Dater,
>>>Mais écouter.
>>>Il faut éviter l'emploi
>>>Du moi, du moi,
>>>Voici pourquoi:
>>>
>>>Il est tyrannique,
>>>Trop académique;
>>>L'ennui, l'ennui
>>>Marche avec lui.
>>>
>>>Marie-Françoise-Catherine de Beauveau, Marquise de Boufflets
>>>
>>>
>>Dominic, are you also suggesting that this seemingly absolutist dismissal
>>of
>>"moi-ism" also applies to Berryman's "Henry"? I mean Henry this, Henry
>>that,
>>Henry once again. Like maybe, at least, occasionally Berryman might change
>>the name to "Hank" to work out another real contrary side of "Henry."
>>Yeah, I initially found myself intrigued with Songs but soon got exhausted
>>with the tone, etc. of the Henry conceit.
>>
>>I don't know if I would drape B. Dylan with the same wrap/ he is much more
>>cyclical with great stuff, bad stuff, good stuff - he might have crashed a
>>motorcycle once but I don't think he will jump off a cliff in Malibu into
>>the Pacific. I think Dylan will continue to work and believe some more big
>>old man songs are going to bloom, or come cursing off his lips. At least
>>I
>>want to believe that!
>>
>>Stephen V
>>http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>>
>>
>>
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Il ne faut pas toujours conter,
Citer,
Dater,
Mais écouter.
Il faut éviter l'emploi
Du moi, du moi,
Voici pourquoi:
Il est tyrannique,
Trop académique;
L'ennui, l'ennui
Marche avec lui.
Marie-Françoise-Catherine de Beauveau, Marquise de Boufflets
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