Paul Klee "drawing is taking a line for a walk"
I think!
On 20 May 2007, at 23:15, Steve Robinson wrote:
Iinteresting, I used to be involved in Spiritualism and this drawing
without conscious intent would be called Automatic Drawing. I know
this is now a label in the art world for this kind of thing, but the
reasons behind the title are a little diferent. I find it fascinating
how the subconscous mind can influence the physical . I have been
using images from my mind, sort of mental photographs, alongside real
photographs to produce paintings this year (second year fine art
degree at DEMONTFORT UNI.) thinking that their was no naration to the
canvass at all, but now find there is perfect alignments between all
of the images. I have virtually been talking to myself all year
without realising it, and in fact have probably been giving myself
therapy !! My paintings are heavily influenced by my drawing. As for
your way of starting with a line, who was it who said he "took a line
for a walk" ? I think this is what you are doing and, by the way, how
many works makes a body of work? You should think about an exhibition
of the work you have already produced, I for one would be very
interested in seeing them.
Keep going.
regards
Steve B RObinson
www.art-cell.com
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> Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:14:41 +0800
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> Thank you for such a personal post.
>
> On 17 May 2007, at 2:46 AM, Suzanne Duffy wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> This is my first endeavour to make a post and I would be
>> delighted to hear peoples views.
>>
>> Does anyone feel they work with/from images?
>
> My drawings are imaginary and have to do with a common curved
> line. As I draw, the imagery appears, usually pretty abstract,
> but with references to experiences and events in my life. I don't
> control the images, just let them appear. Sometimes I have a
> vague idea of what they will be, like a starting point, but they
> generally move me in new directions.
>> What do you feel you are working from when you draw?
>
> Mostly I work from the line, controlling its course, refining it,
> trying to maintain kind of a dreamy state of mind (like "the zone"
> when people exercise).
>>
>> Is it memories, new thoughts, hypothetical thoughts, dreams, are
>> you applying thoughts to something like an object or place and
>> building from there?
>
> I try to occupy my thoughts, elsewhere, so I am feeling the line
> more as a general state of being. Sometimes I listen to podcasts
> when I draw, science subjects, medical shows, museum podcasts, to
> occupy the critical part of my mind so that the line comes from
> somewhere else (I am not entirely sure where...).
>>
>> How concious are you of how the image is forming and how
>> deliberate are you if you are someone who has been drawing for a
>> long time?
> I have had a drawing practice for at least 20 years, so a long
> time. The way I draw is really impractical, because it is
> extremely slow. So maybe I produce about 10 drawings a year, and
> maybe out of those 10, 8 are worth keeping. It is not even that
> they are detailed, because I erase more than I draw, so that you
> could not even guess that they were so labor intensive. The
> problem is that I define myself by this work, but it will take me
> years to put together a body of work for exhibition.
>
> Because I have been drawing for so long, I do not have a feeling
> of self doubt between myself and the paper--but a huge feeling of
> doubt between myself and the public!
>
> The image forms itself, but it looks familiar, like someone I
> love. There are small surprises. I always want to be doing more.
>
>>
>> Do experienced drawers find you can almost repeat a drawing? or
>> feel that your pace is quickened and less tense?
>
> There is no sense to repeat a drawing. But the last set of
> drawings, I traced the same drawing onto 4 sheets of paper, then
> worked on them individually. They each took there own direction.
> They look like cousins.
>
> By the way, I am an identical twin, so the idea of 2 drawings
> looking alike is not lost to me. But, I prefer them to be mirror
> images.
>
>>
>> I find drawing an intense and erratic experience, coupled with my
>> emotions towards describing something, I am also not very
>> respectful of the process, at least thats how it feels! When
>> drawing from observation I also feel overwhelmed by the number of
>> ways I could make an impression or response to the subject.
>
> Let the line go. Every drawing will have its own direction. Try
> not to think so much, but feel the drawing. Use your senses
> rather than your mind. The stories about the drawing can come
> later, because they are there, no matter what.
>
> Also, there is not so much difference in the process--drawing from
> life/drawing ideas, it is all about moving around the page,
> creating space, creating some kind of reality.
>
> It is such a privilege to make drawings. If you feel self doubt,
> don't worry, it is part of extending yourself. You can play out,
> in an abstract way, life's experiences. Overcoming fear, making
> decisions, getting rid of things you no longer need, etc., you can
> play these out in drawing.
>
>>
>> I guess I am interested in drawings reflecting people's response
>> to a subject.
>
> I think that the subject comes as a secondary response, it is not
> the part of the drawing that you control. Otherwise, the drawing
> can come out illustrative, too self conscious. Take the line for
> a walk, follow the contour of your subject.
>
>
>>
>> At present I tend to work more on computer, altering and
>> composing images, I am happy that the traditional process or
>> medium has been removed from my grasp but don't get me wrong I am
>> aware of contraversies over the use of computers and also those
>> who embrace technology as enabling further the communication or
>> the expressive process and look to pursue it's development more
>> radically.
>
> I don't think there is such a split between drawing on computer
> and drawing traditionally. Working on computer is maybe more
> direct, because it is easier to connect your mind to the process,
> without battling the physical world. Changes are faster.
> Sometimes when I am drawing with pencil, I find myself wishing for
> UNDO.
>
> At the same time, scraping one material against another is just so
> sensuous. On a computer, I have the feeling always that the
> drawing can be better, so I compulsively make changes and there is
> no end. It becomes a live video of changes.
>
> Keep an open mind and don't listen to all that technology vs.
> traditional. They should not be placed against each other, like
> people used to do with abstract vs realism. A good drawing is a
> good drawing.
>
> Enjoy your art college.
>
> Patty H
>
>
>>
>> What are your views?
>>
>> Responses greatly appreciated and contrasting views!
>>
>> Suziexx
>>
>> Camberwell College of Art, London.
>>
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