"Anent the easiness of love in that other thread - well, you are young.
You still have illusions, and es ist gut so. (Sorry about the German - I
don't know the Finnish translation.)"
wow, that didn't come out at all condescending, or pompous (you drop a
german phrase & a french word, each completely arbitrarily, then
apologise?) the 'thought' on love was a quip, & a generalisation, &
thus equatable to a joke. sorry if that didn't come across, though
that has to do with the recipient as well.
but what I'm really wondering at this stage -- and the reason for the
negative tone of this message which you probably picked up on, being
so old & sagely (see?) -- is what relevance could my being young
possibly have to this thread? are you trying to undermine my critical
ability? or is it simply that you're suggesting that I can't savour
the idea of cherishing & poetically immortalising a moment/day with
one's companion as Max has done, not having had the experience of
sharing a lifetime with one person (a suggestion that I find
justified, sort of)? this is genuine wonderment; I don't know where
this sudden discriminating remark came from.
I'll admit that "every time" was an exaggeration; & I may actually be
paranoid, but I do pick up shrug-off-esque vibes & disapproving tones
from time to time. then again I must be giving some off as well,
seeing as my interest in most of the threads produced here is minimal
at best. I suppose I *am* ridiculously young compared to the crème de
la crème (Excuse My French) of this list; maybe that alone is cause
for a weak static of tension.
Andrew's use of 'Gasper' is the first I've come across; were it a
little wittier I'd more than approve. (then again, gas = hot air.
hmmm)
off to de-twist my panties, ta-ta.
KS
On 26/04/07, MJ Walker <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Every time, Kasper? Come on. And why should your >personal critical
> viewpoint< not also be critiqued, as I believe they say now in the
> halls of academe?
> Anent the easiness of love in that other thread - well, you are young.
> You still have illusions, and es ist gut so. (Sorry about the German - I
> don't know the Finnish translation.)
> I merely quoted the "Gasper" quip, imagining that it was already common
> currency on the list and I had missed it. Your (...surely?) suggests you
> are not so sure. As an inconstant reader of the messagerie (excuse my
> French) neither am I.
> mj
>
> kasper salonen wrote:
>
> > "to make the ordinary extraordinary, to wipe
> > the cobwebs from our pedestrian senses, is one of the primary tasks of
> > the poet, surely."
> >
> > of course! and I think I've praised & gushed about the beauty in the
> > common & about WCW himself on more than one occasion around here. I
> > just didn't find this particular poem 'extraordinary'; though I did
> > find a great deal to laud, & I'm starting to find it genuinely
> > tiresome that every time I voice some personal critical viewpoint, I
> > get people rushing to the scene with half-playful retorts &
> > 'defenses'.
> >
> > also, while it isn't my particular cup of tea, I find the snap format
> > interesting & fun as well; I just hope, as ever, that there comes no
> > urge or temptation for the frivolous.
> >
> > MJ, I'm glad to hear, as I'm sure Max is, that this resonated with
> > you. it's a nice statement to make -- "this spoke to me personally". I
> > just sometimes feel like making the opposite statement tends to be
> > interpreted as some kind of offense.
> >
> > (plus I don't gasp all that much, surely?)
> >
> > KS
> >
> > On 25/04/07, andrew burke <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> >> Well, Max, I can't let 'Gasper' have the last say on this! I agree
> >> some of the wording is ambiguous at times, and that some of the
> >> repetitions and description could be edited, but surely that is one of
> >> the beauties of this 'snap' format: that the poet can see the raw work
> >> in front of him/her and have some objectivity to it so as to be able
> >> to edit it better. The energy of laying this down comes through loud
> >> and clear, and the older man's delight in his wife's shape is shared
> >> gleefully - and, for a reader of my vintage, with a touch of
> >> camaraderie.
> >>
> >> Now, as to the ordinariness of the subject of this poem and many
> >> others of Max's oeuvre: to make the ordinary extraordinary, to wipe
> >> the cobwebs from our pedestrian senses, is one of the primary tasks of
> >> the poet, surely. I take great delight in the delight taken by Max in
> >> everyday occurrences. And I always enjoy Max's humility - he does not
> >> over-reach or lay it on too thick, but rather underplays his tales of
> >> the everyday. There in lies great art.
> >>
> >> That's my take on it. I'm certain Dr Williams would agree.
> >>
> >> No dis to Gasp intended, but all praise to Max and the Snap format.
> >>
> >> Androo
> >>
> >>
> >> On 25/04/07, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > "scavenging in hungry raucous troops" is a bit much, it's a rather
> >> > long phrase amid the well-timed tempo.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> >> http://www.inblogs.net/hispirits
> >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/aburke/
> >>
> >
>
> --
> A man may write of love, and not be in love, as well as of husbandrie, and not goe to plough: or of witches, and be none: or of holinesse, and be flat prophane. - Giles Fletcher the Elder.
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