Hi Sharon and list,
glad that there is support for this simple action and it also sparked all the other related issues.
Thank you Sharon for taking this forward, I'm sure it is just an oversight and will be rectified. I thought if we all sent a letter or email it could not be ignored? Sharon i await your advice re any support you need re the way forward.
I am happy to put together a page and do my bit, i certainly am in Wales and have highlighted this, which will benefit all in OH, lets share our ideas.
I have been inspired by many Scottish, English and Irish colleagues and that encouragement is what makes us pro active to want to improve OH services - I am priveledged to be part of this profession.
yes I sometimes feel underthreat but that is what prompts me to address issues such as this and send letters to the Assembly and try to engage with hte political process. I was thinking about getting t-shirts printed with OH "access for all" - but i also think i've sometimes lost the plot! must be the pieses in me.
With regard to education issue, if someone has a draft letter I'm sure we will all be hapy to accustomise it and send - if we work together our lobbying is easier, that was the message The Forum tried to relay to the audience at our recent conference.
Keep up the good work, we are unique and will not be replaced. We are thinking of linking withthe OT society to lobby re OH services in Wales - strenght in numbers means workign with those we fear will replace us?
Best wishes
Lynda
I guess I could do something about this one and will endeavour to do so
forthwith!
Sharon Horan
PND Advisor RCN
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>And here I was thinking Jacqui I were the only TOG's!
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 07:50:31 +0100
>From: "Hawkes, Lynda" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Counselling and OH
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>Ellie,
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>I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not possible to join the 2
>roles
>of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to use my counselling skills when dealing
>with people, but cannot enter into a true couselling contract with an
>employee. A counsellor should be completely neutral as far as the client
>is
>concerned and should not play any other part in the life of the client.
>This is absolutely necessary in order for the counselling sessions to be
>open and honest and for the counsellor to be completely trusted. If the
>client knows the counsellor in a different role he/she will hold back and
>it
>will be impossible for the counsellor to get a true picture of the
>problems.
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>If your OHA trains in cognitive work then the counselling skills could be
>used in a variety of ways by teaching coping skills etc, but a true
>counselling relationship is out of the question.
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>Hope that helps.
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>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>Importance: High
>
>
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>Dear List, the discussion on future roles within OH has been extremely
>interesting...and to a certain degree mirrors an ongoing discussion within
>our own small team.
>
>With regard to future role and changes within OH roles, can I ask if anyone
>out there working in OH is also trained as a counsellor? If so what form of
>counselleing do you use and how does it integrate into the OH service? This
>relates to a recent audit of the money which is spent on referring to
>external counsellors, and the thought form the man holding the purse
>strings
>that this could become a seperate role within OH,and that it would be a
>good
>idea to train an OH Advisor as our in house counsellor. I am not against
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>practice.
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>Many thanks
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><DIV><SPAN class=911104406-27032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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><DIV><SPAN class=911104406-27032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
>am
>trained as a counsellor however, it is not possible to join the 2 roles of
>OHA
>and Counsellor. I am able to use my counselling skills when dealing
>with
>people, but cannot enter into a true couselling contract with an
>employee.
>A counsellor should be completely neutral as far as the client is
>concerned
>and should not play any other part in the life of the client. This is
>absolutely necessary in order for the counselling sessions to be open and
>honest
>and for the counsellor to be completely trusted. If the client knows
>the
>counsellor in a different role he/she will hold back and it will be
>impossible
>for the counsellor to get a true picture of the
>problems.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
><DIV><SPAN class=911104406-27032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
>size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
><DIV><SPAN class=911104406-27032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
>size=2>If
>your OHA trains in cognitive work then the counselling skills could be used
>in a
>variety of ways by teaching coping skills etc, but a true counselling
>relationship is out of the question.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
><DIV><SPAN class=911104406-27032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
>size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
><DIV><SPAN class=911104406-27032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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> <P>With regard to future role and changes within OH roles, can I ask
>if
> anyone out there working in OH is also trained as a counsellor? If so
>what
> form of counselleing do you use and how does it integrate into
>the OH
> service? This relates to a recent audit of the money which is spent on
> referring to external counsellors, and the thought form the man
>holding the
> purse strings that this could become a seperate role within OH,and
>that it
> would be a good idea to train an OH Advisor as our in house
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:38:34 +0100
>From: Jeremy Smith <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Counselling and OH
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:41:03 +0100
>From: James Beresford <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Counselling and OH
>
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>Interesting. The variety in approaches by different OHA's...one a
>counsellor, one a coach, me..currently on a CBT course. All very
>valuable in their different ways....
>=20
>James @ Brunel
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Jeremy Smith
>Sent: 27 March 2007 08:39
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>
>
>Ellie,
>
>I agree with Lynda these 2 roles must remain separate otherwise it could
>cause an unnecessary conlict of interests for your OHN. Have you
>considered coaching as a way forward though? I've just finished my
>coaching qualifaction and I have really found the skills I've acquired
>useful when dealing with clients.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jeremy
>
>Jeremy R F Smith
>
>RGN BSc Hons (OHN) SCPHN
>
>Occupational Health Manager - KCC
>
>01622 605518 (VPN 7000) EXT 5518
>
>Occupational Health Service Commercial Services Building
>
>Gibson Drive, Kings Hill, West Malling ME19 4QG
>
>Personnel & Development
>
>Making KCC a Great Place to Work
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
>Sent: Tue Mar 27 07:50:31 2007
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>Ellie,
>
>I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not possible to join the 2
>roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to use my counselling skills
>when dealing with people, but cannot enter into a true couselling
>contract with an employee. A counsellor should be completely neutral as
>far as the client is concerned and should not play any other part in the
>life of the client. This is absolutely necessary in order for the
>counselling sessions to be open and honest and for the counsellor to be
>completely trusted. If the client knows the counsellor in a different
>role he/she will hold back and it will be impossible for the counsellor
>to get a true picture of the problems.
>
>If your OHA trains in cognitive work then the counselling skills could
>be used in a variety of ways by teaching coping skills etc, but a true
>counselling relationship is out of the question.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Lynda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ellie Paige
> Sent: 26 March 2007 16:52
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
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> Dear List, the discussion on future roles within OH has
>been extremely interesting...and to a certain degree mirrors an ongoing
>discussion within our own small team.
>
> With regard to future role and changes within OH roles,
>can I ask if anyone out there working in OH is also trained as a
>counsellor? If so what form of counselleing do you use and how does it
>integrate into the OH service? This relates to a recent audit of the
>money which is spent on referring to external counsellors, and the
>thought form the man holding the purse strings that this could become a
>seperate role within OH,and that it would be a good idea to train an OH
>Advisor as our in house counsellor. I am not against the idea, have an
>open mind in fact, but wondered how this would work in practice.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ellie
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>class=3D542333907-27032007>Interesting. The variety in approaches by =
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><P><FONT size=3D2>Ellie,<BR><BR>I agree with Lynda these 2 roles must =
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>just=20
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>OH<BR><BR>Ellie,<BR><BR>I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not =
>possible=20
>to join the 2 roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to use my =
>counselling=20
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>contract with an employee. A counsellor should be completely =
>neutral as=20
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>life of=20
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>counselling=20
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> Dear List, the discussion on =
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:41:04 +0100
>From: "Harrison-Stone, Sue" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>James
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>I would endorse the feelings about your concerns as to the best way to
>raise the profile of OH. After reading the previous emails yesterday I
>was all geared up to make a stand but then realised I had not a clue. I
>could talk for England about OH but to really make an impact you need to
>use the language of the administrators, something I am not good at.
>Even when I was doing my degree in H&S I was told I wrote as if for the
>tabloid papers like the Mirror and Sun and that I needed to write
>university speak! I suppose my age is showing as I still have my roots
>in my old nursing background of years ago which gave a practical not
>management slant to all I wrote.
>
>After some of the comments yesterday I felt very demoralised at the
>thought of OH becoming more the B team with others taking on the role I
>do now. Perhaps another part of the future OH degrees could include
>costing our role because I find it difficult to know how to prove that
>what I do saves money.
>
>Regards
>
>Sue
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>Sent: 27 March 2007 07:57
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>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
>information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that
>many OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just
>wonder how many of us, me included, actually know how to go about
>raising our profile? How many would actually know how to and who to
>approach at the HSE to get a page on their website about us? How many
>actually know how to start and keep a pressure group going?=20
>
>I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to
>know how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context,
>I'm stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who don't how,
>please?
>
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><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would endorse the feelings about =
>your
>concerns as to the best way to raise the profile of OH. After =
>reading the
>previous emails yesterday I was all geared up to make a stand but then =
>realised
>I had not a clue. I could talk for <st1:country-region =
>w:st=3D"on"><st1:place
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>really make
>an impact you need to use the language of the administrators, something =
>I am
>not good at. Even when I was doing my degree in H&S I was told =
>I
>wrote as if for the tabloid papers like the Mirror and Sun and that I =
>needed to
>write university speak! I suppose my age is showing as I still =
>have my
>roots in my old nursing background of years ago which gave a practical =
>not
>management slant to all I wrote.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>After some of the comments =
>yesterday I
>felt very demoralised at the thought of OH becoming more the B team with =
>others
>taking on the role I do now. Perhaps another part of the future OH
>degrees could include costing our role because I find it difficult to =
>know how
>to prove that what I do saves money.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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>[log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span
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>07:57<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
>[log in to unmask]<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [OCC-HEALTH] =
>Raising the
>profile of OHA's etc</span></font><span =
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><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
>read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of =
>information
>about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that many OHA's =
>leave it
>to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just wonder how many of us, =
>me
>included, actually know how to go about raising our profile? How many =
>would
>actually know how to and who to approach at the HSE to get a page on =
>their
>website about us? How many actually know how to start and keep a =
>pressure group
>going? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
>will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to know =
>how. I
>can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context, I'm stumped. =
>So
>would those who know, tell those of us who don't how, =
>please?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>James
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>From: James Beresford <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>Sue,
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>I am sure if you sat down and analysed what you actually do that you
>could clearly demonstrate that you save money.
>=20
>James
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Harrison-Stone, Sue
>Sent: 27 March 2007 08:41
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
>
>
>
>James
>
>I would endorse the feelings about your concerns as to the best way to
>raise the profile of OH. After reading the previous emails yesterday I
>was all geared up to make a stand but then realised I had not a clue. I
>could talk for England about OH but to really make an impact you need to
>use the language of the administrators, something I am not good at.
>Even when I was doing my degree in H&S I was told I wrote as if for the
>tabloid papers like the Mirror and Sun and that I needed to write
>university speak! I suppose my age is showing as I still have my roots
>in my old nursing background of years ago which gave a practical not
>management slant to all I wrote.
>
>After some of the comments yesterday I felt very demoralised at the
>thought of OH becoming more the B team with others taking on the role I
>do now. Perhaps another part of the future OH degrees could include
>costing our role because I find it difficult to know how to prove that
>what I do saves money.
>
>Regards
>
>Sue
>
>=20
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of James Beresford
>Sent: 27 March 2007 07:57
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
>
>=20
>
>I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
>information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that
>many OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just
>wonder how many of us, me included, actually know how to go about
>raising our profile? How many would actually know how to and who to
>approach at the HSE to get a page on their website about us? How many
>actually know how to start and keep a pressure group going?=20
>
>I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to
>know how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context,
>I'm stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who don't how,
>please?
>
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>class=3D482434207-27032007>I am sure if you sat down and analysed =
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><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> [log in to unmask]
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Harrison-Stone,=20
>Sue<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 March 2007 08:41<BR><B>To:</B>=20
>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising =
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><P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
>style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: =
>Arial">James<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
><P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
>style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I would =
>endorse the=20
>feelings about your concerns as to the best way to raise the profile of=20
>OH. After reading the previous emails yesterday I was all geared =
>up to=20
>make a stand but then realised I had not a clue. I could talk for=20
><st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20
>w:st=3D"on">England</st1:place></st1:country-region> about OH but to =
>really make=20
>an impact you need to use the language of the administrators, something =
>I am not=20
>good at. Even when I was doing my degree in H&S I was told I =
>wrote as=20
>if for the tabloid papers like the Mirror and Sun and that I needed to =
>write=20
>university speak! I suppose my age is showing as I still have my =
>roots in=20
>my old nursing background of years ago which gave a practical not =
>management=20
>slant to all I wrote.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
><P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
>style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">After some of =
>the=20
>comments yesterday I felt very demoralised at the thought of OH becoming =
>more=20
>the B team with others taking on the role I do now. Perhaps =
>another part=20
>of the future OH degrees could include costing our role because I find =
>it=20
>difficult to know how to prove that what I do saves=20
>money.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
><P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dnavy size=3D2><SPAN=20
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><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
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>read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of =
>information=20
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>leave it=20
>to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just wonder how many of us, =
>me=20
>included, actually know how to go about raising our profile? How many =
>would=20
>actually know how to and who to approach at the HSE to get a page on =
>their=20
>website about us? How many actually know how to start and keep a =
>pressure group=20
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><P><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; =
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>will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to know =
>how. I=20
>can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context, I'm stumped. =
>So=20
>would those who know, tell those of us who don't how,=20
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 08:53:50 +0100
>From: Jacqui Livock <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Counselling and OH
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>Hi
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:17:58 +0100
>From: Kirsten Shedden <[log in to unmask]>
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>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
>information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that
>many OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just
>wonder how many of us, me included, actually know how to go about
>raising our profile? How many would actually know how to and who to
>approach at the HSE to get a page on their website about us? How many
>actually know how to start and keep a pressure group going?=20
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>I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to
>know how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context,
>I'm stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who don't how,
>please?
>
>James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM=20
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>[log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span
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>Raising the
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><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
>read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of =
>information
>about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that many OHA's =
>leave it
>to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just wonder how many of us, =
>me
>included, actually know how to go about raising our profile? How many =
>would
>actually know how to and who to approach at the HSE to get a page on =
>their
>website about us? How many actually know how to start and keep a =
>pressure group
>going? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
>will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to know =
>how. I
>can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context, I'm stumped. =
>So
>would those who know, tell those of us who don't how, =
>please?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>James
>Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM</span></font> <br>
><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:30:47 +0100
>From: Sarah Holton <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: ****IMPORTANT Raising the profile of OHA's etc
>
>HSE - aim to promote health at work and they would only want more =20
>OHP's and OHNA's. The may simply need reminding of what ONHA's adn =20
>OHP's do. Good hardworking people who also stuggle as lack of =20
>them.Nothing to indicate the anything other than good people to work =20
>with
>
>
>*******But the people to be warey of and who we should be lobbying to =20
>keep current way of OHP's adn Degree OHNA's working together to =20
>improve health adn work relationship is CAROL BLACK & LORD HUNT.... =20
>*******
>
>Please wake up to the power CAROL BLACK & LORD HUNT have. People =20
>outside out speciality - working with clear government links - not on =20
>our side.
>
>They fancy things like undertrained subconsultant (non mfoms) doing =20
>this advisor type role. Why not address the lack OHNA's and OHP's by =20
>promoting the speciality and training ore of us. Cos we are a "rare =20
>breed" as carol black likes to say - she quite fancies getting GP's =20
>trained up to do it instead.
>
>This is who we need to explain to - she likes the work we do but wants =20
>a cheaper and more widespread solution - ANSWER in my opinion - TRAIN =20
>MORE OF US so we can keep up the high quality and very good work we =20
>all do.
>
>This must be a clear and united message or "new initiatives" will =20
>spring up as a fast sticking plaster to the problem of lack of us. =20
>With government as ever pushing for cheaper solution as big rich =20
>multimillion pound business wants cheap healthcare and twists it arm - =20
>it does not care about proffessional standards, probity or quality for =20
>the employee.
>
>So if you want to do something useful - make sure FOM & Nursing =20
>leaders remain alert, aware adn are fully engaged with real opinions =20
>within the speciality.
>
>We want MORE OF OHP's & MORE ONHA's TRAINED TO DO THE GOOD WORK WE DO =20
>- IT WORKS VERY WELL WHY BREAK IT!
>
>There are 7-8 OHP's working with Lord hunt and carol black looking for =20
>solutions.... These are the people to hassle and get at and try to =20
>stop all the other weird adn wonderful ideas that undercut and =20
>undermine both ONHA's and OHP's...
>
>Thats my soap box for the day....
>
>Please wake up to the massive power Carol black and lord hunt have =20
>over us - with a wake of there magic wand we have to all dance like =20
>puppets to whatever thay want.... guide them in a good way
>
>Sarah
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Quoting "Harrison-Stone, Sue" <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > James
> >
> > I would endorse the feelings about your concerns as to the best way to
> > raise the profile of OH. After reading the previous emails yesterday I
> > was all geared up to make a stand but then realised I had not a clue. I
> > could talk for England about OH but to really make an impact you need to
> > use the language of the administrators, something I am not good at.
> > Even when I was doing my degree in H&S I was told I wrote as if for the
> > tabloid papers like the Mirror and Sun and that I needed to write
> > university speak! I suppose my age is showing as I still have my roots
> > in my old nursing background of years ago which gave a practical not
> > management slant to all I wrote.
> >
> > After some of the comments yesterday I felt very demoralised at the
> > thought of OH becoming more the B team with others taking on the role I
> > do now. Perhaps another part of the future OH degrees could include
> > costing our role because I find it difficult to know how to prove that
> > what I do saves money.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sue
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> > Behalf Of James Beresford
> > Sent: 27 March 2007 07:57
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
> >
> >
> >
> > I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
> > information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that
> > many OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just
> > wonder how many of us, me included, actually know how to go about
> > raising our profile? How many would actually know how to and who to
> > approach at the HSE to get a page on their website about us? How many
> > actually know how to start and keep a pressure group going?
> >
> > I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to
> > know how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context,
> > I'm stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who don't how,
> > please?
> >
> > James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM
> > Occupational Health Advisor
> > Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner
> > Human Resources
> > Brunel University
> > Uxbridge
> > Middlesex
> > UB8 3PH
> >
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 09:46:37 +0100
>From: Sarah Holton <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Be proactive
>
>After my soapbox below - how to be proactive...
>
>Email and write to carol black and those at top nursing OH ladder and =20
>who lead the faculty occ medicine....
>
>Make it clear with any quality audit data or financial sums you =20
>department has or good customer feedback etc on the successful work we =20
>do.
>
>Tell them we think that the system works now, just fails as lack of us =20
>therfore why reinvent the wheel and have expensive new initiatves....
>
>Use the money to promote what we do adn attract more to the field. No =20
>need for imaginative solutions which bypass those who are already =20
>highly trained and very enthusiastic within the speciality....
>
>Lots letters to those involved in this wonderful "review process" =20
>about what we - people on the ground want and think will work.
>
>Clear and united messages should help guide them in a good direction =20
>for employer and employees and US!
>
>Sit back and expect to be steamrollered over in whatever direction =20
>they fancy....
>
>Sarah
>
>
>
>Quoting Sarah Holton <[log in to unmask]>:
>
> > HSE - aim to promote health at work and they would only want more
> > OHP's and OHNA's. The may simply need reminding of what ONHA's adn
> > OHP's do. Good hardworking people who also stuggle as lack of
> > them.Nothing to indicate the anything other than good people to work
> > with
> >
> >
> > *******But the people to be warey of and who we should be lobbying to
> > keep current way of OHP's adn Degree OHNA's working together to
> > improve health adn work relationship is CAROL BLACK & LORD HUNT....
> > *******
> >
> > Please wake up to the power CAROL BLACK & LORD HUNT have. People
> > outside out speciality - working with clear government links - not on
> > our side.
> >
> > They fancy things like undertrained subconsultant (non mfoms) doing
> > this advisor type role. Why not address the lack OHNA's and OHP's by
> > promoting the speciality and training ore of us. Cos we are a "rare
> > breed" as carol black likes to say - she quite fancies getting GP's
> > trained up to do it instead.
> >
> > This is who we need to explain to - she likes the work we do but wants
> > a cheaper and more widespread solution - ANSWER in my opinion - TRAIN
> > MORE OF US so we can keep up the high quality and very good work we
> > all do.
> >
> > This must be a clear and united message or "new initiatives" will
> > spring up as a fast sticking plaster to the problem of lack of us.
> > With government as ever pushing for cheaper solution as big rich
> > multimillion pound business wants cheap healthcare and twists it arm -
> > it does not care about proffessional standards, probity or quality for
> > the employee.
> >
> > So if you want to do something useful - make sure FOM & Nursing
> > leaders remain alert, aware adn are fully engaged with real opinions
> > within the speciality.
> >
> > We want MORE OF OHP's & MORE ONHA's TRAINED TO DO THE GOOD WORK WE DO
> > - IT WORKS VERY WELL WHY BREAK IT!
> >
> > There are 7-8 OHP's working with Lord hunt and carol black looking for
> > solutions.... These are the people to hassle and get at and try to
> > stop all the other weird adn wonderful ideas that undercut and
> > undermine both ONHA's and OHP's...
> >
> > Thats my soap box for the day....
> >
> > Please wake up to the massive power Carol black and lord hunt have
> > over us - with a wake of there magic wand we have to all dance like
> > puppets to whatever thay want.... guide them in a good way
> >
> > Sarah
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting "Harrison-Stone, Sue" <[log in to unmask]>:
> >
> >> James
> >>
> >> I would endorse the feelings about your concerns as to the best way to
> >> raise the profile of OH. After reading the previous emails yesterday I
> >> was all geared up to make a stand but then realised I had not a clue.
>I
> >> could talk for England about OH but to really make an impact you need
>to
> >> use the language of the administrators, something I am not good at.
> >> Even when I was doing my degree in H&S I was told I wrote as if for the
> >> tabloid papers like the Mirror and Sun and that I needed to write
> >> university speak! I suppose my age is showing as I still have my roots
> >> in my old nursing background of years ago which gave a practical not
> >> management slant to all I wrote.
> >>
> >> After some of the comments yesterday I felt very demoralised at the
> >> thought of OH becoming more the B team with others taking on the role I
> >> do now. Perhaps another part of the future OH degrees could include
> >> costing our role because I find it difficult to know how to prove that
> >> what I do saves money.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Sue
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >> Behalf Of James Beresford
> >> Sent: 27 March 2007 07:57
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
> >> information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that
> >> many OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just
> >> wonder how many of us, me included, actually know how to go about
> >> raising our profile? How many would actually know how to and who to
> >> approach at the HSE to get a page on their website about us? How many
> >> actually know how to start and keep a pressure group going?
> >>
> >> I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to
> >> know how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context,
> >> I'm stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who don't how,
> >> please?
> >>
> >> James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM
> >> Occupational Health Advisor
> >> Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner
> >> Human Resources
> >> Brunel University
> >> Uxbridge
> >> Middlesex
> >> UB8 3PH
> >>
> >> Tel internal 67219
> >> Tel external 01895 267219
> >>
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 10:40:59 +0100
>From: Rita Ogden <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: FOHNEU Congress - London 19-21 September
>
>Hi,
>Do you have any prices/application forms for this conference? I am
>interested in attending but need more information.
>Thanks!
>Rita
>
>Rita E Ogden
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>Occupational Health Service,
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>Tel: 0113 2065228
>Leeds General Infirmary
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> >>> "Ingham, Jane [HMPS]" <[log in to unmask]> 27/03/2007
>08:27 >>>
>Please see the attached preliminary programme for the FOHNEU Congress
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> <<prelim prog jus.pdf>>
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>
>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:06:20 +0100
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>Subject: Re: FOHNEU Congress - London 19-21 September
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 06:49:59 EDT
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 11:57:18 +0100
>From: James Beresford <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Road accident today. NOT OH but funny.
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>Mashed potato causes road smash A road has been closed after a load of
>mashed potato fell off the back of a lorry and caused vehicles to crash.
>
>Police were forced to closed the A507 at Husborne Crawley, at the School
>Lane and Bedford Road junction, in Bedfordshire, in the morning rush
>hour.=20
>The potato made the surface slippery and firefighters used power jets to
>clear the mash from the road.=20
>It is thought the lorry driver was unaware his load had fallen off and
>carried on driving.=20
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>Taken from the BBC news website today 27 March.
>
>James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM
>Occupational Health Advisor
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>caused vehicles to crash.</FONT></B><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Times New =
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>the A507 at Husborne Crawley, at the School Lane and Bedford Road =
>junction, in Bedfordshire, in the morning rush hour. </FONT></P>
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>slippery and firefighters used power jets to clear the mash from the =
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, =
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:49:43 +0200
>From: Ellie Paige <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Counselling and OH
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>Hi James, how do you perceive your CBT course skills integrating into OH?
>Do you feel this is a more appropriate way of assisting the employees as
>opposed to more formal counselling? Our external counsellor is absolutely
>wonderful, and I can agree with the opinions that there can be no true
>counselling relationship if the employee is already aware of my colleague
>as an OHN. Does the same apply within CBT?
>Thanks for the great advice and opinions
>Ellie
>
>
>
>========================================
>Message Received: Mar 27 2007, 09:08 AM
>From: "James Beresford"
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Cc:
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>
>Interesting. The variety in approaches by different OHA's...one a
>counsellor, one a coach, me..currently on a CBT course. All very valuable
>in their different ways....
>
>James @ Brunel
>
>
>
>
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Jeremy Smith
>Sent: 27 March 2007 08:39
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>
>Ellie,
>
>I agree with Lynda these 2 roles must remain separate otherwise it could
>cause an unnecessary conlict of interests for your OHN. Have you
>considered coaching as a way forward though? I've just finished my coaching
>qualifaction and I have really found the skills I've acquired useful when
>dealing with clients.
>
>Regards,
>
>Jeremy
>
>Jeremy R F Smith
>
>RGN BSc Hons (OHN) SCPHN
>
>Occupational Health Manager - KCC
>
>01622 605518 (VPN 7000) EXT 5518
>
>Occupational Health Service Commercial Services Building
>
>Gibson Drive, Kings Hill, West Malling ME19 4QG
>
>Personnel & Development
>
>Making KCC a Great Place to Work
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [log in to unmask]
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Sent: Tue Mar 27 07:50:31 2007
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>Ellie,
>
>I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not possible to join the 2
>roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to use my counselling skills when
>dealing with people, but cannot enter into a true couselling contract with
>an employee. A counsellor should be completely neutral as far as the
>client is concerned and should not play any other part in the life of the
>client. This is absolutely necessary in order for the counselling sessions
>to be open and honest and for the counsellor to be completely trusted. If
>the client knows the counsellor in a different role he/she will hold back
>and it will be impossible for the counsellor to get a true picture of the
>problems.
>
>If your OHA trains in cognitive work then the counselling skills could be
>used in a variety of ways by teaching coping skills etc, but a true
>counselling relationship is out of the question.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Lynda
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ellie Paige
> Sent: 26 March 2007 16:52
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> Dear List, the discussion on future roles within OH has
>been extremely interesting...and to a certain degree mirrors an ongoing
>discussion within our own small team.
>
> With regard to future role and changes within OH roles,
>can I ask if anyone out there working in OH is also trained as a
>counsellor? If so what form of counselleing do you use and how does it
>integrate into the OH service? This relates to a recent audit of the money
>which is spent on referring to external counsellors, and the thought form
>the man holding the purse strings that this could become a seperate role
>within OH,and that it would be a good idea to train an OH Advisor as our in
>house counsellor. I am not against the idea, have an open mind in fact, but
>wondered how this would work in practice.
>
> Many thanks
>
> Ellie
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><P>Hi James, how do you perceive your CBT course skills integrating into
>OH=
>? Do you feel this is a more appropriate way of assisting the employees as
>=
>opposed to more formal counselling? Our external counsellor is absolutely
>w=
>onderful, and I can agree with the opinions that there can be no true
>couns=
>elling relationship if the employee is already aware of my colleague as an
>=
>OHN. Does the same apply within CBT?</P>
><P>Thanks for the great advice and opinions</P>
><P>Ellie<BR><BR><BR></P>
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><P><FONT size=3D2>Ellie,<BR><BR>I agree with Lynda these 2 roles must
>remai=
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>for=
> your OHN. Have you considered coaching as a way forward though?
>I've=
> just finished my coaching qualifaction and I have really found the skills
>=
>I've acquired useful when dealing with
>clients.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jere=
>my<BR><BR>Jeremy R F Smith<BR><BR>RGN BSc Hons (OHN)
>SCPHN<BR><BR>Occupatio=
>nal Health Manager - KCC<BR><BR>01622 605518 (VPN 7000) EXT
>5518<BR><BR>Occ=
>upational Health Service Commercial Services Building<BR><BR>Gibson Drive,
>=
>Kings Hill, West Malling ME19 4QG<BR><BR>Personnel &
>Development<BR><BR=
> >Making KCC a Great Place to Work<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>-----Original
>Message-=
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>7:50:31 2007<BR>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and
>OH<BR><BR>Ellie,<=
>BR><BR>I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not possible to join
>the=
> 2 roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to use my counselling
>skill=
>s when dealing with people, but cannot enter into a true couselling
>contrac=
>t with an employee. A counsellor should be completely neutral as far
>=
>as the client is concerned and should not play any other part in the life
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>f the client. This is absolutely necessary in order for the
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>t=
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>he/she=
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>picture of the problems.<BR><BR>If your OHA trains in cognitive work then
>t=
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>coping=
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>Counselling=
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> Dear List, the discussion on future roles
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> ongoing discussion within our own small
>team.<BR><BR> &nb=
>sp; With
>regar=
>d to future role and changes within OH roles, can I ask if anyone out
>there=
> working in OH is also trained as a counsellor? If so what form of
>counsell=
>eing do you use and how does it integrate into the OH service? This
>relates=
> to a recent audit of the money which is spent on referring to external
>cou=
>nsellors, and the thought form the man holding the purse strings that this
>=
>could become a seperate role within OH,and that it would be a good idea to
>=
>train an OH Advisor as our in house counsellor. I am not against the idea,
>=
>have an open mind in fact, but wondered how this would work in
>practice.<BR=
> ><BR>
> &nb=
>sp; Many
>thanks<BR><BR> &nbs=
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:10:45 +0100
>From: Johanna Wild <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: FOHNEU Congress - London 19-21 September
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>________________________________
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>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Ingham, Jane [HMPS]
>Sent: 27 March 2007 08:28
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>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] FOHNEU Congress - London 19-21 September
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>Please see the attached preliminary programme for the FOHNEU Congress -
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:12:48 +0100
>From: Peter Judge <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: FOHNEU Congress - London 19-21 September
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>Johanna
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>Try the link below:
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> >>> Johanna Wild <[log in to unmask]> 27/03/2007 15:10 >>>
>Has anyone been able to access the booking form and the cost of this
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:19:05 +0100
>From: James Beresford <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Counselling and OH
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>Ellie,
>=20
>I'm still only half way through the CBT for OH professionals course and
>whilst I have an opinion, so far, I'm sure others who have already
>completed it, will have their own views.
>=20
>For a start, and this is important, the course is not teaching us to be
>CBT therapists. It is however giving us the skills to apply CBT skills
>in our normal day to day work, using a different slant. I'm sure for
>instance that there are many occasions where you come across an employee
>with back pain who just doesn't seem to be able to get off his / her
>bed, and exercise or go through the pain barrier. There are, in many
>situations, psychological aspects to health and disease and the course
>is helping me to focus on the reasons,some deep-seated why this is the
>case and then work on resolving them.=20
>=20
>You will probably find that you are using some of the skills already,
>without knowing it, or certainly without any specific formulations and
>it is in making such formulations that the grounding for CBT comes from
>and from where you find resolutions to the problems. Essentially you
>take a little piece of how a person thinks and work at changing it so
>that they behave differently.
>=20
>And the end product? Reducing costs....
>=20
>James
>
>________________________________
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>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Ellie Paige
>Sent: 27 March 2007 14:50
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>
>
>Hi James, how do you perceive your CBT course skills integrating into
>OH? Do you feel this is a more appropriate way of assisting the
>employees as opposed to more formal counselling? Our external counsellor
>is absolutely wonderful, and I can agree with the opinions that there
>can be no true counselling relationship if the employee is already aware
>of my colleague as an OHN. Does the same apply within CBT?
>
>Thanks for the great advice and opinions
>
>Ellie
>
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> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>=09
>=09
> Interesting. The variety in approaches by different OHA's...one
>a counsellor, one a coach, me..currently on a CBT course. All very
>valuable in their different ways....
> =20
> James @ Brunel
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>________________________________
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> From: [log in to unmask]
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> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>=09
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>
> Ellie,
>=09
> I agree with Lynda these 2 roles must remain separate otherwise
>it could cause an unnecessary conlict of interests for your OHN. Have
>you considered coaching as a way forward though? I've just finished my
>coaching qualifaction and I have really found the skills I've acquired
>useful when dealing with clients.
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
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> Ellie,
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> I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not possible to join
>the 2 roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to use my counselling
>skills when dealing with people, but cannot enter into a true couselling
>contract with an employee. A counsellor should be completely neutral as
>far as the client is concerned and should not play any other part in the
>life of the client. This is absolutely necessary in order for the
>counselling sessions to be open and honest and for the counsellor to be
>completely trusted. If the client knows the counsellor in a different
>role he/she will hold back and it will be impossible for the counsellor
>to get a true picture of the problems.
>=09
> If your OHA trains in cognitive work then the counselling skills
>could be used in a variety of ways by teaching coping skills etc, but a
>true counselling relationship is out of the question.
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> Hope that helps.
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> Lynda
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
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> Sent: 26 March 2007 16:52
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> Dear List, the discussion on future roles within
>OH has been extremely interesting...and to a certain degree mirrors an
>ongoing discussion within our own small team.
>=09
> With regard to future role and changes within OH
>roles, can I ask if anyone out there working in OH is also trained as a
>counsellor? If so what form of counselleing do you use and how does it
>integrate into the OH service? This relates to a recent audit of the
>money which is spent on referring to external counsellors, and the
>thought form the man holding the purse strings that this could become a
>seperate role within OH,and that it would be a good idea to train an OH
>Advisor as our in house counsellor. I am not against the idea, have an
>open mind in fact, but wondered how this would work in practice.
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> Ellie
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>class=3D961001114-27032007>You will probably find that you are using =
>some of the=20
>skills already, without knowing it, or certainly without any specific=20
>formulations and it is in making such formulations that the grounding =
>for CBT=20
>comes from and from where you find resolutions to the problems. =
>Essentially you=20
>take a little piece of how a person thinks and work at changing it so =
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>behave differently.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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>class=3D961001114-27032007>And the end product? Reducing=20
>costs....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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><FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> [log in to unmask]
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ellie=20
>Paige<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 March 2007 14:50<BR><B>To:</B>=20
>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OCC-HEALTH] =
>Counselling and=20
>OH<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
><DIV></DIV>
><P>Hi James, how do you perceive your CBT course skills integrating into =
>OH? Do=20
>you feel this is a more appropriate way of assisting the employees as =
>opposed to=20
>more formal counselling? Our external counsellor is absolutely =
>wonderful, and I=20
>can agree with the opinions that there can be no true counselling =
>relationship=20
>if the employee is already aware of my colleague as an OHN. Does the =
>same apply=20
>within CBT?</P>
><P>Thanks for the great advice and opinions</P>
><P>Ellie<BR><BR><BR></P>
><BLOCKQUOTE=20
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> <BR>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH<BR><BR>
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> <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
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> class=3D542333907-27032007>Interesting. The variety in approaches by =
>different=20
> OHA's...one a counsellor, one a coach, me..currently on a CBT course. =
>All very=20
> valuable in their different ways....</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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>for your=20
> OHN. Have you considered coaching as a way forward though? I've =
>just=20
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>I've=20
> acquired useful when dealing with=20
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> 07:50:31 2007<BR>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and=20
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>not=20
> possible to join the 2 roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to =
>use my=20
> counselling skills when dealing with people, but cannot enter into a =
>true=20
> couselling contract with an employee. A counsellor should be =
>completely=20
> neutral as far as the client is concerned and should not play any =
>other part=20
> in the life of the client. This is absolutely necessary in order =
>for the=20
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>be=20
> completely trusted. If the client knows the counsellor in a =
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> role he/she will hold back and it will be impossible for the =
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> then the counselling skills could be used in a variety of ways by =
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> Dear List, the discussion =
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> With regard to future role =
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>of the=20
> money which is spent on referring to external counsellors, and the =
>thought=20
> form the man holding the purse strings that this could become a =
>seperate role=20
> within OH,and that it would be a good idea to train an OH Advisor as =
>our in=20
> house counsellor. I am not against the idea, have an open mind in =
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:44:57 +0100
>From: Tracy Bluestone <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Munchausen's syndrome
>
>Dear All,
>I have in interesting case to deal with, and would appreciate some advice=
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>please. This case reflects on how unneccesary OHP's can be!=20
>the OHP has pronounced someone fit to work, who had been diagnosed with=20=
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>Munchausen's syndrome the day previously. the diagnosis had not come from=
> a=20
>psychiatrist, but the subject of Munchausens had been raised due to
>this=20=
>
>clients interesting case history.
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>ier=20
>manager is somewhat concerned about their fitness to work.
>Anyone who has dealt with a similar case, or has any useful info or advic=
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>Many Thanks
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:08:58 +0100
>From: "Prout, Kleea" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Counselling and OH
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>Hi James
>=20
>I fully agree with you. In OH we often have to deal with 'first aid
>counselling' when someone comes to see you as they need help to deal
>with situations now and not have to wait 4 months to see a counsellor.
>This is especially true when interpersonal relationships break down
>either at work or home.
>It does not in any way suggest that OH practitioners should become
>'counsellors' per se and should not interfere with normal referral to
>accredited counsellors.
>I have completed my advanced CBT course, not as a counsellor, but
>because I agree with the common sense approach which can help employees
>stay at work and deal with their issues, or return to work sooner than
>planned=20
>as they learn to take responsibility and challenge their own beliefs.
>CBT is aimed at education - it teaches people how thoughts influence
>their behaviour and emotions and also how to look for evidence to
>believe or dispute their thought processes.=20
>A lot of physiotherapists are also doing basic CBT to help patients
>understand their beliefs about activity and pain.
>As you may have guessed - I am definitely a convert!!
>=20
>Regards
>Kleea
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>________________________________
>
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of James Beresford
>Sent: 27 March 2007 15:19
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>
>Ellie,
>I'm still only half way through the CBT for OH professionals course and
>whilst I have an opinion, so far, I'm sure others who have already
>completed it, will have their own views.
>For a start, and this is important, the course is not teaching us to be
>CBT therapists. It is however giving us the skills to apply CBT skills
>in our normal day to day work, using a different slant. I'm sure for
>instance that there are many occasions where you come across an employee
>with back pain who just doesn't seem to be able to get off his / her
>bed, and exercise or go through the pain barrier. There are, in many
>situations, psychological aspects to health and disease and the course
>is helping me to focus on the reasons,some deep-seated why this is the
>case and then work on resolving them.=20
>You will probably find that you are using some of the skills already,
>without knowing it, or certainly without any specific formulations and
>it is in making such formulations that the grounding for CBT comes from
>and from where you find resolutions to the problems. Essentially you
>take a little piece of how a person thinks and work at changing it so
>that they behave differently.
>And the end product? Reducing costs....
>James
>
>________________________________
>
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Ellie Paige
>Sent: 27 March 2007 14:50
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>
>
>
>Hi James, how do you perceive your CBT course skills integrating into
>OH? Do you feel this is a more appropriate way of assisting the
>employees as opposed to more formal counselling? Our external counsellor
>is absolutely wonderful, and I can agree with the opinions that there
>can be no true counselling relationship if the employee is already aware
>of my colleague as an OHN. Does the same apply within CBT?
>
>Thanks for the great advice and opinions
>
>Ellie
>
>
>
>
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> Message Received: Mar 27 2007, 09:08 AM
> From: "James Beresford"=20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc:=20
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>=09
>=09
> Interesting. The variety in approaches by different OHA's...one
>a counsellor, one a coach, me..currently on a CBT course. All very
>valuable in their different ways....
>=09
> James @ Brunel
>
>________________________________
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jeremy Smith
> Sent: 27 March 2007 08:39
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>=09
>=09
>
> Ellie,
>=09
> I agree with Lynda these 2 roles must remain separate otherwise
>it could cause an unnecessary conlict of interests for your OHN. Have
>you considered coaching as a way forward though? I've just finished my
>coaching qualifaction and I have really found the skills I've acquired
>useful when dealing with clients.
>=09
> Regards,
>=09
> Jeremy
>=09
> Jeremy R F Smith
>=09
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>=09
> Occupational Health Manager - KCC
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>=09
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>=09
> Personnel & Development
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> Making KCC a Great Place to Work
>=09
>=09
>=09
>=09
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Tue Mar 27 07:50:31 2007
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
>=09
> Ellie,
>=09
> I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not possible to join
>the 2 roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to use my counselling
>skills when dealing with people, but cannot enter into a true couselling
>contract with an employee. A counsellor should be completely neutral as
>far as the client is concerned and should not play any other part in the
>life of the client. This is absolutely necessary in order for the
>counselling sessions to be open and honest and for the counsellor to be
>completely trusted. If the client knows the counsellor in a different
>role he/she will hold back and it will be impossible for the counsellor
>to get a true picture of the problems.
>=09
> If your OHA trains in cognitive work then the counselling skills
>could be used in a variety of ways by teaching coping skills etc, but a
>true counselling relationship is out of the question.
>=09
> Hope that helps.
>=09
> Lynda
>=09
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask]
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Ellie Paige
> Sent: 26 March 2007 16:52
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling and OH
> Importance: High
>=09=20=20=20=20=20=20=20
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> Dear List, the discussion on future roles within
>OH has been extremely interesting...and to a certain degree mirrors an
>ongoing discussion within our own small team.
>=09
> With regard to future role and changes within OH
>roles, can I ask if anyone out there working in OH is also trained as a
>counsellor? If so what form of counselleing do you use and how does it
>integrate into the OH service? This relates to a recent audit of the
>money which is spent on referring to external counsellors, and the
>thought form the man holding the purse strings that this could become a
>seperate role within OH,and that it would be a good idea to train an OH
>Advisor as our in house counsellor. I am not against the idea, have an
>open mind in fact, but wondered how this would work in practice.
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> Ellie
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>relationships break down either at work or home.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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>help employees stay at work and deal with their issues, or
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><DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080
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>class=3D845292714-27032007>as they learn to take responsibility and
>challen=
>ge=20
>their own beliefs.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080
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>class=3D845292714-27032007>CBT is aimed at education - it teaches people=20
>how thoughts influence their behaviour and emotions and also how to
>lo=
>ok=20
>for evidence to believe or dispute their thought processes.
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>/DIV>
><DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080
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>class=3D845292714-27032007>A lot of physiotherapists are also doing basic
>C=
>BT to=20
>help patients understand their beliefs about activity and=20
>pain.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000080
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>class=3D845292714-27032007>As you may have guessed - I am definitely a=20
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>[log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf
>O=
>f=20
></B>James Beresford<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 March 2007 15:19<BR><B>To:</B>=20
>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling
>a=
>nd=20
>OH<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
><DIV></DIV>
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>class=3D961001114-27032007>I'm still only half way through the CBT for OH=
>=20
>professionals course and whilst I have an opinion, so far, I'm sure others
>=
>who=20
>have already completed it, will have their own=20
>views.</DEFANGHTML_SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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>class=3D961001114-27032007>For a start, and this is important, the course
>i=
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>teaching us to be CBT therapists. It is however giving us the skills to
>app=
>ly=20
>CBT skills in our normal day to day work, using a different slant. I'm
>sure=
> for=20
>instance that there are many occasions where you come across an employee
>wi=
>th=20
>back pain who just doesn't seem to be able to get off his / her bed, and=20
>exercise or go through the pain barrier. There are, in many situations,=20
>psychological aspects to health and disease and the course is helping me
>to=
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>class=3D961001114-27032007>You will probably find that you are using some
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>f the=20
>skills already, without knowing it, or certainly without any specific=20
>formulations and it is in making such formulations that the grounding for
>C=
>BT=20
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>class=3D961001114-27032007>And the end product? Reducing=20
>costs....</DEFANGHTML_SPAN></FONT></DIV>
><DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff
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>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Ellie=20
>Paige<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 March 2007 14:50<BR><B>To:</B>=20
>[log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Counselling
>a=
>nd=20
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><DIV></DIV>
><P>Hi James, how do you perceive your CBT course skills integrating into
>OH=
>? Do=20
>you feel this is a more appropriate way of assisting the employees as
>oppos=
>ed to=20
>more formal counselling? Our external counsellor is absolutely wonderful,
>a=
>nd I=20
>can agree with the opinions that there can be no true counselling
>relations=
>hip=20
>if the employee is already aware of my colleague as an OHN. Does the same
>a=
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><P>Thanks for the great advice and opinions</P>
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> class=3D542333907-27032007>Interesting. The variety in approaches by
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> <P><FONT size=3D2>Ellie,<BR><BR>I agree with Lynda these 2 roles must
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>jus=
>t=20
> finished my coaching qualifaction and I have really found the skills
>I've=
>=20
> acquired useful when dealing with=20
> clients.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeremy<BR><BR>Jeremy R F
>Smith<BR><BR>RGN=
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> OH<BR><BR>Ellie,<BR><BR>I am trained as a counsellor however, it is not=
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> possible to join the 2 roles of OHA and Counsellor. I am able to
>us=
>e my=20
> counselling skills when dealing with people, but cannot enter into a
>true=
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> couselling contract with an employee. A counsellor should be
>comple=
>tely=20
> neutral as far as the client is concerned and should not play any other
>p=
>art=20
> in the life of the client. This is absolutely necessary in order
>fo=
>r the=20
> counselling sessions to be open and honest and for the counsellor to be=
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> completely trusted. If the client knows the counsellor in a
>differe=
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>t=
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> a true picture of the problems.<BR><BR>If your OHA trains in cognitive
>wo=
>rk=20
> then the counselling skills could be used in a variety of ways by
>teachin=
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> Dear List, the discussion on
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> With regard to future role
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>a=
>lso=20
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>h=
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>the=20
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>though=
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>=
>role=20
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>b=
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 16:25:38 +0100
>From: Maureen McBain <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>Hi James
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>I guess what comes to mind is my own model for practice (McBain 2005) =
>and
>what I have been doing for the past four years mainly as a normal =
>committee
>member, then as Vice chair and now as Chair of the RCN OHN Forum for
>Scotland. But to spare you an in depth explanation as to what my role =
>has
>been and the specific activities I have been involved in since 2002 the
>following are some of the things that spring to mind from my own =
>experience
>when I read your posting. So some of us who perceive ourselves as =
>leaders
>within OH nursing have been working away at trying to influence things
>within our own context e.g. Scotland for myself and all I can say is =
>that
>there are ways of working and there are ways of working!!! As I can only =
>say
>what I have done within the Scottish context simply because I was =
>fortunate
>enough to have had the opportunity to be involved in researching the =
>role of
>the OHN on a project which finished in 2001 and have been working at =
>raising
>the profile ever since.
>
>=20
>
>* First of all it helps if you know where the profession is with
>regard to its own development (see West et al 2001 OHN survey in =
>Scotland).
>* Then you have to get yourself into strategic political position
>within a specific OHN/A group that is seen by others to have a "voice" =
>e.g.
>on the committee of the RCN OHN Forum Scotland so that individuals like =
>me
>and those that have gone before can contribute and influence =
>occupational
>health matters that concern us as nurses/ advisors etc for example being
>included and asked one opinion of various policy documents- the reality =
>of
>doing id that one finds one's name attached to some documents but one =
>has to
>wise in such situations
>* From this position you have be sure about you own position and be
>open to those who are advising you but also be able to self critical and
>take constructive criticism from others.
>* Another way to raise one's profile is to put some time and energy
>into making public what we do e.g. start to get your work published in
>journals and out into the wider OH and public health community.
>
>=20
>
>These are just a few things that I can think of but could think of more =
>-
>time permitting but I am sure some others are capable to contributing =
>other
>pointers/guidance as well.
>
>=20
>
>Best wishes
>
>Maureen McBain (Mo)
>
>RCN Chair OHN Forum Scotland
>
>=20
>
>=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On =
>Behalf
>Of James Beresford
>Sent: 27 March 2007 07:57
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
>
>=20
>
>I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
>information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that =
>many
>OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just wonder =
>how
>many of us, me included, actually know how to go about raising our =
>profile?
>How many would actually know how to and who to approach at the HSE to =
>get a
>page on their website about us? How many actually know how to start and =
>keep
>a pressure group going?=20
>
>I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to =
>know
>how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context, I'm
>stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who don't how, =
>please?
>
>James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM=20
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><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><!-- Converted from text/rtf format =
>-->Hi
>James</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I guess what comes to mind is my =
>own model
>for practice (McBain 2005) and what I have been doing for the past four =
>years
>mainly as a normal committee member, then as Vice chair and now as Chair =
>of the
></span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
> font-family:Arial;color:navy'>RCN OHN Forum</span></font><font size=3D2
>color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
>color:navy'> for </span></font><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
>face=3DArial><span
> =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Scotland</span></=
>font><font
>size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
>color:navy'>. But to spare you an in depth explanation as to what my =
>role has
>been and the specific activities I have been involved in since 2002 the
>following are some of the things that spring to mind from my own =
>experience
>when I read your posting. So some of us who perceive ourselves as =
>leaders within
>OH nursing have been working away at trying to influence things =
>within our own
>context e.g. Scotland for myself and all I can say is that there are =
>ways of
>working and there are ways of working!!! As I can only say what I have =
>done within
>the Scottish context simply because I was fortunate enough to have had =
>the
>opportunity to be involved in researching the role of the OHN on a =
>project
>which finished in 2001 and have been working at raising the profile ever =
>since.</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
>
><ul type=3Ddisc>
> <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
>face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>First of all it helps =
>if you
> know where the profession is with regard to its own development =
>(see West
> et al 2001 OHN survey in </span></font><font size=3D2 =
>face=3DArial><span
> =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Scotland</span></font><font
> size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>).</span></font></li>
> <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
>face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Then you have to get =
>yourself
> into strategic political position within a specific OHN/A group =
>that is
> seen by others to have a “voice” e.g. on the committee =
>of the </span></font><font
> size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>RCN
> OHN Forum</span></font><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> Scotland so that individuals like me and =
>those that
> have gone before can contribute and influence occupational health =
>matters
> that concern us as nurses/ advisors etc for example being included =
>and
> asked one opinion of various policy documents- the reality of doing =
>id
> that one finds one’s name attached to some documents but one =
>has to
> wise in such situations</span></font></li>
> <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
>face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From this position you =
>have be
> sure about you own position and be open to those who are advising =
>you but
> also be able to self critical and take constructive criticism from =
>others.</span></font></li>
> <li class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'color:navy'><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy =
>face=3DArial><span
> style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Another way to raise
> one’s profile is to put some time and energy into making =
>public what
> we do e.g. start to get your work published in journals and out =
>into the
> wider OH and public health community.</span></font></li>
></ul>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>These are just a few things that I =
>can
>think of but could think of more – time permitting but I am sure =
>some others
>are capable to contributing other pointers/guidance as =
>well.</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Best wishes</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Maureen McBain</span></font><font =
>size=3D2
>color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
>color:navy'> (Mo)</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>RCN Chair OHN Forum =
></span></font><font
> size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
> color:navy'>Scotland</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'> </span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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>
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
>face=3DTahoma><span
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
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><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> =
>[log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>James =
>Beresford<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> </span></font><font =
>size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>27 March =
>2007</span></font><font
>size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> </span></font><font =
>size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>07:57</span></font><font
>size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'><br>
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>[log in to unmask]<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [OCC-HEALTH] =
>Raising the
>profile of OHA's etc</span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D3
>face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'> </span></font></p>
>
><p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I read with great interest all the recent =
>mails about
>the lack of information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments =
>from some
>that many OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just =
>wonder
>how many of us, me included, actually know how to go about raising our =
>profile?
>How many would actually know how to and who to approach at the HSE to =
>get a
>page on their website about us? How many actually know how to start and =
>keep a
>pressure group going? </span></font></p>
>
><p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but =
>I'd
>certainly like to know how. I can do it within my own employer, but in =
>the
>wider context, I'm stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us =
>who don't
>how, please?</span></font></p>
>
><p style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, =
>MIIRSM</span></font>
><br>
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:11:03 +0100
>From: "Fisher.Ann" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: Munchausen's syndrome
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>My first feelings are that you need far more information! Case History?
>As
>someone who still works in an Accident Unit (bank work) after 20+ years as
>a
>Senior Sister I would have grave concerns employing a staff member with
>this
>diagnosis. I assume that the OHP had a full Hx. to make their decision on.
>Is this staff member medical, nursing or non-medical? Have they had
>treatment for this, and are they now considered to be cured?
>
>Without further information, I would say that a ward environment would be
>preferable in the first instance. The Emergency Department offers people
>greater insight into the system, and faking symptoms etc.
>
>Ann Fisher RGN RSCN OHND RNT Cert Ed.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
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>Of Tracy Bluestone
>Sent: 27 March 2007 15:45
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Munchausen's syndrome
>
>Dear All,
>I have in interesting case to deal with, and would appreciate some advice
>please. This case reflects on how unneccesary OHP's can be!
>the OHP has pronounced someone fit to work, who had been diagnosed with
>Munchausen's syndrome the day previously. the diagnosis had not come from a
>psychiatrist, but the subject of Munchausens had been raised due to this
>clients interesting case history.
>Client is based in A&E, and I am reviewing them tomorrow,obviously thier
>manager is somewhat concerned about their fitness to work.
>Anyone who has dealt with a similar case, or has any useful info or advice?
>
>Many Thanks
>
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>My first feelings are that you need far more =
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>Accident Unit (bank work) after 20+ years as a Senior Sister I would =
>have grave concerns employing a staff member with this diagnosis. =
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Without further information, I would say that a ward =
>environment would be preferable in the first instance. The Emergency =
>Department offers people greater insight into the system, and faking =
>symptoms etc.</FONT></P>
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ann Fisher RGN RSCN OHND RNT Cert Ed.</FONT>
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
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><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: 27 March 2007 15:45</FONT>
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><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Munchausen's syndrome</FONT>
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>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Dear All,</FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have in interesting case to deal with, and would =
>appreciate some advice </FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>please. This case reflects on how unneccesary OHP's =
>can be! </FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>the OHP has pronounced someone fit to work, who had =
>been diagnosed with </FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Munchausen's syndrome the day previously. the =
>diagnosis had not come from a </FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>psychiatrist, but the subject of Munchausens had =
>been raised due to this </FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>clients interesting case history.</FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Client is based in A&E, and I am reviewing them =
>tomorrow,obviously thier </FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>manager is somewhat concerned about their fitness to =
>work.</FONT>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Anyone who has dealt with a similar case, or has any =
>useful info or advice?</FONT>
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Many Thanks</FONT>
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Tracy Bluestone</FONT>
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 20:19:13 +0100
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>Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2007 23:00:50 +0100
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>Subject: Re: Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>I too have been reading with great interest all the recent emails on the
>subject of OH training and raising our profile.
>
>At the moment I am doing the OH degree through distance learning but have
>been working in OH for many years and did the certificate in the early
>days.
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>I am not sure that I would be ready for the independent world of OH had I
>just completed the degree course and with little or no experience in the
>work place.
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>I am part of a new group that has recently formed. We all felt very
>concerned about OH nurses being fit for practice and have decided to look
>in
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>If anyone is interested in supporting and working with us then please
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>Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>
>I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
>information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that
>many
>OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just wonder how
>many of us, me included, actually know how to go about raising our profile?
>How many would actually know how to and who to approach at the HSE to get a
>page on their website about us? How many actually know how to start and
>keep
>a pressure group going?
>
>I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to know
>how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context, I'm
>stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who don't how, please?
>
>James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM
>Occupational Health Advisor
>Chartered Safety and Health Practitioner
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><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
>font-family:Arial'>I too have been reading with great interest all the =
>recent
>emails on the subject of OH training and raising our =
>profile.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
>font-family:Arial'>At the moment I am doing the OH degree through =
>distance
>learning but have been working in OH for many years and did the =
>certificate in
>the early days.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
>font-family:Arial'>I am not sure that I would be ready for the =
>independent
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>experience in the work place.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
>font-family:Arial'>I am part of a new group that has recently formed. We =
>all
>felt very concerned about OH nurses being fit for practice and have =
>decided to
>look in to ways at which we can get more relevant learning onto the =
>course.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;
>font-family:Arial'>If anyone is interested in supporting and working =
>with us
>then please contact me off list.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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>[log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span
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><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
>read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of =
>information
>about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some that many OHA's =
>leave it
>to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I just wonder how many of us, =
>me
>included, actually know how to go about raising our profile? How many =
>would
>actually know how to and who to approach at the HSE to get a page on =
>their
>website about us? How many actually know how to start and keep a =
>pressure group
>going? </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>I
>will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to know =
>how. I
>can do it within my own employer, but in the wider context, I'm stumped. =
>So
>would those who know, tell those of us who don't how, =
>please?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>James
>Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM</span></font> <br>
><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Occupational
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