Dear all,
I would support Nick's point and it is a bit worrying that this issue
resurfaces from time to time without a conclusion. I have often thought
that CILIP could do a simple but very useful piece of objective research
by identifying the most suitable venues for meetings/conferences which
we could then all use to plan our various activities.
Certainly from a Glasgow point of view London is best.
Best wishes
John
Dr. John Crawford,
Library Research Officer and Director, Scottish Information Literacy
Project,
Glasgow Caledonian University,
Room 302, (3rd floor)
6 Rose Street,
Glasgow,
G3 6RB
Tel: 0141-273-1248
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-----Original Message-----
From: A general Library and Information Science list for news and
discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nicholas Joint
Sent: 26 April 2007 12:11
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: CILIP Training course: WORKING WITH AND IN GROUPS, 5 & 6
June 2007, London
Dear LIS-LINKERS,
Speaking from Scotland, I don't have any problem with the London-based
nature of CILIP one day courses.
A day return by plane to London from Scotland or Newcastle costs less
than fifty quid. Train tickets between Glasgow and popular 'northern'
training locations such as Edinburgh or Newcastle are about 15 to 20
pounds, so the 30 pounds difference between rail and plane is a very
small consideration.
One day courses cost 100 to 200 hundred pounds, so an extra 30 pounds
seems a minor part of the cost. But with two day courses you are talking
about significant accommodation costs, so I mainly fly down to London
for one day CILIP courses, and my employer has never refused me on the
basis of travel costs.
US or Australian librarians deal with this sort of distance all the
time, they have a different mindset. And a rich array of one-day courses
in one SE location is better than a less varied menu of choices spread
around a number of UK-wide training locations.
I also like going to London to remind myself how awful the public
transport system is down there in comparison to Glasgow, Edinburgh, or
Newcastle. Or Paris, or Berlin - or anywhere else in Europe in fact!
Nick Joint
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Nicholas Joint
Andersonian Library
University of Strathclyde
101 St James Road
Glasgow, UK. G4 0NS.
0141-548-4640 [log in to unmask]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: A general Library and Information Science list for news
> and discussion. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
> Rutherford, Gillian
> Sent: 26 April 2007 10:56
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CILIP Training course: WORKING WITH AND IN
> GROUPS, 5 & 6 June 2007, London
>
> Just to put some facts to my point:
>
> CILIP's training programme offers 87 courses which this year
> are running at 121 venues -
> 11 in Birmingham (2 on blogs and 3 on best use of the
> internet/Google),
> 2 in Glasgow and
> 2 in Sheffield
>
> Only 12% of venues outside London, (9% in Birmingham - a real
> pig of a place to get to from the North East - sorry
> Birmingham - , but just a couple of hours drive from London).
> This is not the full range of professional development
> offered to South Easterners considering the categories of
> training offered, (there are almost as many categories of
> training as courses offered outside London):
>
> - Cat and class
> - Copyright and licensing
> - Financial and performance management
> - ICT and internet skills
> - Library and management skills
> - Marketing and promotion
> - Personal development
> - Teaching and learning
>
> I would really welcome being able to have access to the whole
> programme. In all honesty, because of the expense of time,
> accommodation and travel on top of the cost of the training,
> I do mentally dismiss most of the courses CILIP offer in
> London. As the full programme is not offered to the regions,
> I don't see it as THE professional development programme.
> Apologies to CILIP.
>
> An approach like Netskills who deliver their training by
> region would be welcomed
> (http://www.netskills.ac.uk/content/products/workshops/region/
> index.html). It may need a rethink on numbers on courses and
> numbers of courses, but there are heaps of professional
> library and information professionals outside the South East
> eager for professional development and training from CILIP!
>
> Regards,
> Gillian
>
>
>
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