--- MC Ward <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Yes, it makes sense, Doug--as does Dominic's
> "commons." But I have been commenting all along the
> thread on the issue of _attribution_, not so much on
> lifting work by others per se (i.e., plagiarism).
> But
> rather, doing so without acknowledgment, which is
> what
> Dylan did in _Modern Times_. This doesn't seem all
> that "complicated" to me, though the various laws
> and
> rules certainly can be. And many of those only arose
> in the mid-1970s, though the notion of copyright was
> inspired by Wordsworth.
>
> I think the question I posed to Joe about plagiarism
> among his students is obvious and valid.
>
> Candice
>
>
>
> --- Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > This gets so complicated, Candice, & I'm sure Joe
> &
> > others have already
> > replied (being off for a day or so), but
> plagiarism
> > & borrowing or
> > allusions are very different things I think.
> There's
> > also the
> > possibility of giving some notes if necessary. But
> I
> > just came across,
> > was reminded of, a book by a fellow poet, where
> one
> > of the ghazals
> > says, 'I'm made of echoes,' & that perhaps gets to
> > the heart of the
> > matter.
> >
> > I really believe there's no way any well read (& I
> > don't want any other
> > kind of) writer doesn't write within a hall of
> > echoes, or 'intertexts'
> > as they're theorized.
> >
> > But how well the writers utilize them (& recognize
> > that they are
> > echoing) has much to do with whether or not our
> > response is
> > welcoming....
> >
> > Pure copying, though: plagiarism as you say, well,
> > that's something
> > else....
> >
> > Does that make sense?
> > On 24-Mar-07, at 9:51 AM, MC Ward wrote:
> >
> > > Joe, I'm surprised to hear you take this stance
> > and
> > > wonder how you handle plagiarism by your
> > students(?).
> > >
> > > Candice
> > Douglas Barbour
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > You've got to find some way of saying it
> > without sayng it.
> >
> > Duke Ellington
> >
>
>
>
>
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