on 29/3/07 7:47 am, Lindsey Hall at [log in to unmask] wrote:
> Anne
>
> In answer to your question "How important is NMC validation to
> consumers and employers?" I don't think many employers or consumers
> would understand it. On a neck sticking out basis as someone that has
> carried out a lot of recruitment in the last few years
> - I have seen loads of CVs where the information on the CV bears
> no relation to the person in front of me at interview
> - This is regardless of the course they might or might not have
> been on, be it diploma, degree or good old fashioned certificate. This
> works both ways.
> - A lot of recruitment is done via agencies whose filtering of CVs
> is only ever restricted by high demand for an advertised post and due to
> the shortage of qualified OHAs that is rare thing (you can't blame the
> agencies for this as they only have a job to do and are a vital part of
> the OH recruitment business).
> - Most employers know that CVs are occasionally a wild
> fabrication and also know that much of the information contained about
> qualifications doesn't mean much to them. They know well enough that
> when recruiting staff for all parts of their organisation, there are
> degrees and degrees. The top 5 - 10 universities in the country are
> still the top 5 - 10 and a far cry from many others - and that is in
> fields about which employers have more understanding.
> - Therefore if the employers have any sense they carry out a
> competency based interview and match the interview process and the
> candidates (more than 2 if they're lucky) to the type of role they want,
> mix it all in with a good dose of intuition into a candidates
> suitability and character and hope.
>
> If the RCN can simplify its OH competencies to a one page sheet, give it
> to employers as a guide to what they should expect from an OHA, then get
> the NMC to give it to the training establishments on which to base a
> dedicated course, this might be a help.
>
> Thanks
>
> Lindsey
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [log in to unmask] [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Anne Harriss
> Sent: 01 January 1904 02:59
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
>
>
> on 28/3/07 7:53 pm, [log in to unmask] at [log in to unmask]
> wrote:
>
>> I would like to sing the praises of the OH diploma at Warwick - this
>> is extremely practical and relevant, encompassing most of what OH
>> nurses use on a day to day basis as well as providing information on
>> wider health and safety issues, case management and sickness absence.
>> A degree would be the follow on from this but for basics, an overview
>> and encouragement for improving practise I think it would be difficult
>
>> to beat. A new and experienced OHA, and any workplace would greatly
>> benefit from this course Janet O'Neill (independent OHA)
>>>
>>> From: Annie Anderson <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Date: 2007/03/27 Tue PM 11:00:50 BST
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Subject: Re: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
>>>
>>> Hi List,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I too have been reading with great interest all the recent emails on
>>> the subject of OH training and raising our profile.
>>>
>>> At the moment I am doing the OH degree through distance learning but
>>> have been working in OH for many years and did the certificate in the
>
>>> early days.
>>>
>>> I am not sure that I would be ready for the independent world of OH
>>> had I just completed the degree course and with little or no
>>> experience in the work place.
>>>
>>> I am part of a new group that has recently formed. We all felt very
>>> concerned about OH nurses being fit for practice and have decided to
>>> look in to ways at which we can get more relevant learning onto the
>>> course.
>>>
>>> If anyone is interested in supporting and working with us then please
>
>>> contact me off list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Annie Anderson
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>>> Behalf Of James Beresford
>>> Sent: 27 March 2007 07:57
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>>> Subject: [OCC-HEALTH] Raising the profile of OHA's etc
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>>>
>>>
>>> I read with great interest all the recent mails about the lack of
>>> information about OHA's on the HSE website, the comments from some
>>> that many OHA's leave it to others to promote us etc etc etc. But I
>>> just wonder how many of us, me included, actually know how to go
>>> about raising our profile? How many would actually know how to and
>>> who to approach at the HSE to get a page on their website about us?
>>> How many actually know how to start and keep a pressure group going?
>>>
>>> I will certainly stand up and say I don't, but I'd certainly like to
>>> know how. I can do it within my own employer, but in the wider
>>> context, I'm stumped. So would those who know, tell those of us who
>>> don't how, please?
>>>
>>> James Beresford RN(A), RSCPHN, CMIOSH, MIIRSM
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>
> We have taken a couple of students who have completed the Warwick course
> and wish to top it up to a degree and also get NMC registration as a
> SCPHN. From what I know of both the course team and the course content I
> am in complete agreement with your recommendation. The team which
> developed/deliver that diploma include Caroline Whittaker and Cynthia
> Atwell. Both highly respected OHNs.
>
> The Warwick course is at diploma, not degree level, and the team chose
> not to go down the route of NMC validation. (The NMC will not validate
> courses which are not at BSc or MSc level. Perhaps subscribers can
> understand why the decision was made not to seek NMC validation when
> they realise the difficulties inherent in running a multidisciplinary
> course with OHNs/HVs/SN/s and others.
>
> The question has to be asked "How important is NMC validation to
> consumers and employers?". If it unimportant we need to find a different
> way to skin the cat, if it is important OHNs must lobby the NMC to
> incorporate the changes that they feel are important. It appears to me
> that the writing could be on the wall for the specialty of Health
> Visiting is under over the coming years. OH Nursing may be the next
> specialty to go both being subsumed into the broad "public health
> nursing". Is this what the specialty would be happy with.
>
> I have never been afraid of sticking my neck out in order to ensure that
> any OH course I am involved with has suitable content - not an easy
> task. Practitioners must be prepared to do the same if they want a
> course which meets the needs of the OHN specialty.
>
> Anne Harriss
> Course director
> London South Bank University
>
>
Hello Lindsey and list
I see where you are coming from Lindsey. About three years ago, when SCPHN
degrees were first thought of I questioned with the Dean of our faculty
whether we should offer a non-NMC validated degree. He would not agree to
this. I suspect he had worries that if it were not NMC validated then we
would lose the market to those providers offering NMC validated programmes.
It is not necessarily what the OHN Course Leaders and OHN lecturers think
would work but what members of the broader team, the university senior
managers at (head of department and Dean (head) of faculty) will support
and agree to. Funding for universities is in the same sorry state as funding
for the NHS. Risk taking re student numbers is not something that would be
encouraged.
Anne
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