Donnie Davies is a hoax. More bad humor that appeals to the U.S. palate.
Oliver Belcher.
On 3/15/07, Duncan Fuller <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Fair points Judy. It was Eagles of Death Metal that caught my eye –
> possibly one of the most heterosexual-oriented bands on the planet.
> Bizarre.
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> The situation that may be developing is pretty scary, and worrying. There
> is talk in Newcastle that religious groups are attempting to identify which
> schools are involved in the project…. I read the 'frequently asked
> questions' about the project last night – there is much good material in
> here – would it be possible for this to be circulated on the list?
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> Duncan
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> From: Judy Hemingway [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 15 March 2007 11:19
> To: Duncan Fuller; CRIT-GEOG-FORUM
> Cc: Judy Hemingway
> Subject: RE: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
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> Dear Critters,
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> It seems that I may have adopted a minority position when taking Jon's
> posting about Donnie Davies' list of 'dangerous bands' more seriously than
> others.
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> As someone who has taught secondary school geography (and occasionally
> history) in various countries I'm only too aware of dangerous books lists
> and being obliged to select those that will get past the censors even if
> they arrive defaced (eg atlases with maps of Israel ripped out and book
> sections on population control removed, quite apart from heavy black lines
> obliterating particular words). In some schools where I have taught, all
> mention of the conflicts in Northern Ireland were deleted from the
> curriculum.
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> While many have laughed at Jon's posting and variously described the list of
> bands as 'parody', 'irony', 'amusing' and 'fun', I would suggest that you
> are able to laugh as insiders because you 'know better'. Not wishing to
> irritate some of you, my regional co-ordinator described such responses as
> 'limited political answers'. Her point was that when such lists get into
> the hands of neo-conservatives, for example those in the American Bible
> Belt, the effects are not funny but disenfranchising. To pick up on
> Duncan's comment about the school governor arguing that the No Outsiders
> project has made her an outsider exemplifies the type of argument that
> neo-conservatives use.
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> Some groups are trying to get the books used in the No Outsiders project
> banned – even though schools across the country have had various of the
> titles on their shelves for years. Yesterday, one blog on the project had
> some particularly unpleasant comments on the books and the project director
> http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/03/homosexual_prop.html
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> Perhaps I do take things a bit too seriously, but for those of you know the
> Institute of Education you'll be aware that there's not much to laugh about
> here. I'm also the sad sort who thinks that lists such as Routledge's
> catalogue could do with a bit of deconstruction!
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> Thanks Jon for your emails – very thought provoking.
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> Judy.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Duncan Fuller
> Sent: 14 March 2007 13:02
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
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> A friend of mine recently had an interesting encounter at a school
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> governors meeting, where one of the Governors complained about the
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> contents of a book/story (the one where the prince marries another man)
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> their child had be 'exposed to', that she did not want her child exposed
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> to such views, and complained that the 'no outsiders' project had in
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> fact made her feel like an outsider...
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> She maintained this line in the face of some criticism.
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> The band list is very, very amusing!
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of TAMAR ROTHENBERG
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> Sent: 13 March 2007 22:42
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: Re: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
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> That list of bands that turn you gay is so off-base it had red parody
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> flags all over it. Some people have made efforts to locate the
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> perpetrator. See
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> http://www.newspeakblog.com/the_blog/donnie_davies_fan_club/index.html
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> and http://www.counterbias.com/844.html.
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> Tamar
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> Dr. Tamar Y. Rothenberg
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> Assistant Professor
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> Department of History
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> Bronx Community College of the City University of New York
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> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers on behalf of Judy
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> Hemingway
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> Sent: Tue 3/13/2007 12:05 PM
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: Re: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
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> Hello Jon,
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> Thanks for CHOP info and list of 'dangerous bands' which allegedly
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> promote homosexuality. I'm a geography educator based at the Institute
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> of Education, University of London and an RA on an ESRC-funded project
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> called No Outsiders: researching approaches to sexualities equalities
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> in primary schools www.nooutsiders.sunderland.ac.uk
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> <http://www.nooutsiders.sunderland.ac.uk/> . My
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> contribution is to 'enrich' the project by looking at the spatial
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> politics of heteronormativity and homophobia.
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> Following a not entirely accurate article about the project in The
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> Observer on Sunday, 11 March 2007 'The prince married a man, and lived
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> happily ever after'
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> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031223,00.html
> the No
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> Outsiders team has attracted additional interest from religious and
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> other groups some of which contend that the fairy tales (like the bands
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> and presumably their songs) are dangerous and that the PI is 'wicked'
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> (see links below).
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> I wonder what evidence there is to support arguments that pop cult can
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> make you queer.
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> IOE IN THE NEWS
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> Coverage of the No Outsiders project which is conducted by the
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> INSTITUTE, Sunderland University and Exeter University. This project
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> introduces books dealing with gay issues to children aged 4 to 11 in
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> fourteen schools.
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> * The prince married a man, and lived happily ever after - Guardian at
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> http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031223,00.html
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> <http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,2031223,00.html>
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> * Four-year-olds will get gay fairytales at school - Mail at
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> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article
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> _id=441542&in_page_id=1770
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> <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_articl
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> * Pro-gay kids' books launched - The Sun at
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> http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007110660,00.html
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> <http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2007110660,00.html>
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> * Four-year-olds will get gay fairytales at school - New Nation News
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> Reporters Newsroom at
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> http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=99148
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> <http://www.newnation.vg/forums/showthread.php?t=99148>
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> * Gay friendly stories for primary school kids - Life Style Extra at
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> http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=OM1134948G&news_headline=gay_fr
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> iendly_stories_for_primary_school_kids
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> <http://www.lse.co.uk/ShowStory.asp?story=OM1134948G&news_headline=gay_f
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> riendly_stories_for_primary_school_kids>
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> * Gay fairy tales for primary school children - Pinknews.co.uk at
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> http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3893.html
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> <http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-3893.html>
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> IoE in blogs
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> * The school curriculum: gay penguins - at
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> http://fulhamreactionary.blogspot.com/2007/03/school-curriculum-gay-peng
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> IOE IN THE NEWS
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> Further coverage of the No Outsiders project which is conducted by the
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> INSTITUTE, Sunderland University and Exeter University.
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> * Primary school kids in gay book scheme. Gay.com. 12 March 2007
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> http://uk.gay.com/article/5403 <http://uk.gay.com/article/5403>
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> * Gay fairy tales will have no happy ending. Express p 11
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> TV and Radio programmes featuring the project
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> * Today programme on Radio 4 on 13 March 2007
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> * Panel discussion about the books on Channel 5's 'The Wright Stuff'.
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> * Interview with Radio New Zealand's' 'Nine to Noon' on Thursday night
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> Blogs mentioning No Outsiders project
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> * Re: A world slowly going mad.
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> http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.arts.tv.uk.coronationst/
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> <http://www.nnseek.com/e/rec.arts.tv.uk.coronationst/>
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> * The prince married a man, and lived happily ever after.
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> http://www.inthedays.com/days-of-lot/the-prince-married-a-man-and-lived-
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> happily-ever-after/
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> <http://www.inthedays.com/days-of-lot/the-prince-married-a-man-and-lived
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> -happily-ever-after/>
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> * Comments on the newspaper article by Daily Mail: Four-year-olds will
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> get gay fairytales at school.
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> http://feenxp.blogspot.com/2007/03/four-year-olds-will-get-gay-fairytale
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> <http://feenxp.blogspot.com/2007/03/four-year-olds-will-get-gay-fairytal
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> es.html> ; http://www.congresscheck.com/archives/796
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> <http://www.congresscheck.com/archives/796>
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> * UK primary school kids to get books that introduce gay relationships.
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> http://familyrelationships.org.uk/2007/03/12/uk-primary-school-kids-to-g
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> et-books-that-introduce-gay-relationships
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> <http://familyrelationships.org.uk/2007/03/12/uk-primary-school-kids-to-
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> get-books-that-introduce-gay-relationships>
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> Judy.
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> Judy Hemingway
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> -----Original Message-----
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> From: A forum for critical and radical geographers
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jon Cloke
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> Sent: 12 March 2007 17:41
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> To: [log in to unmask]
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> Subject: Changing Homosexuals into Ordinary People
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> Deep apologies but I couldn't resist this one, from the country that
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> you the conservapedia - Donnie Davies, self-confessed 'reformed
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> and his Love God's Way Ministry
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> Anyone
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> know anything about this? Comes over as fairly Monty Python but check
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> the list of bands it's dangerous to listen to in case they turn you
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> "One of the most dangerous ways homosexuality invades family life is
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> Bands to watch out for
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> * The Spores (endorse suicide)
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> * Scissor Sisters
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> * Turbonegro
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> * Rufus Wainwright
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> * Merzbau
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> * Ravi Shankar
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> * Wilco
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> * Bjork (mb)
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> * Tech N9ne
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> * Ghostface Killah
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> * Bobby Conn
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> * Cole Porter
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> * The String Cheese Incident
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> * Eagles of Death Metal
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> * Polyphonic Spree
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> * The Faint
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> * Interpol
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> * Twisted Sister (jj)
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> * Tegan and Sara
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> * Erasure
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> * The Grateful Dead (drugs too)
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> * Le Tigre
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> * Marilyn Manson (dark gay)
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> * The Gossip
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> * The Magnetic Fields
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> * The Doors
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> * Phish
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> * Queen
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> * Metallica
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> * Judas Priest
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> * The Village People
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> * The Secret Handshake
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> * The Rolling Stones
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> * David Bowie
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> * Frankie Goes to Hollywood
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> * Man or Astroman
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> * Richard Cheese
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> * Jay-Z
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> * Depeche Mode
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> * Kansas
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> * John Mayer
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> * George Michael (texan)
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> * Angel Eyes
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> * The Indigo Girls
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> * Velvet Underground
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> * Madonna
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> * Elton John
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> * Barry Manilow
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> * Indigo Girls
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> * Melissa Etheridge
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> * Eminmen
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> * Nirvana
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> * Boy George*
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> * The Killers
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> * Lou Reed
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> * Lil' Wayne
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> * Motorhead
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> * Jill Sobule
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> * Wilson Phillips
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> * DMX
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> * Wesley Willis
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> * Lisa Loeb
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> * Ted Nugent (loincloth)
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> * Dogstar
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> * Arcade Fire
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> * The Queers
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> * NoFx(gay punk)
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> * Soup Dragons
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> * Elton John(really gay)
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> In Our effort to keep this list up to date we'd appreciate your help. If
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> know of a band that is Gay or propogating a Gay message please email us
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> The response is overwhelming. You guys know of a lot more Gay Bands than
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> (c)2007 Love God's Way"
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Oliver Christian Belcher
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Department of Geography
University of Kentucky
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