Good idea Annie. I told Daniel Rawling, the BBC 3 person that I had passed
his request on to some colleagues who might be in touch. If the people
who have commented or made suggestions could email him directly I think
that might have more impact than me just saying 'this was the discussion
on a group I belong to'. His email is [log in to unmask] You
never know he might even like our ideas!
Anne
> Hi Rachel,
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> Thanks for your posting regarding adult control of children - did you
> forward it on to the BBC 3 person who asked for ideas - if a programme
> could be made tht incorporated some of your thinking that would be
> great.
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> Annie
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Gareth Foote
> Sent: 05 March 2007 22:37
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Potential BBC3 programme
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>
>
> Hi Rachael
>
> great post - i hope this program gets made over the original proposal. I
> for one am very interested to hear about whether young people get to
> make reasoned choices about taking part in research as I'm currently
> planning a research project that aims to involve young people. What are
> your views about 'best practice' in this enterprise?
>
> Gareth
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Rachael Fox {PG} <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2007 1:53:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Potential BBC3 programme
>
> Dear Anne,
>
> Sorry I am responding to your posting so late - I have been mulling over
> the email you received from the television researcher. I am assuming
> you posted it in order to receive feedback, and I would really like to
> give some, as my research and interests in community psychology lie with
> young people and the issues they face.
>
>
>
> What struck me about the researcher's query was that it was framed very
> much in a conventional way in relation to problems people face. The
> idea that young people have behavioural issues they need to confront is
> very one sided and a very minor aspect of a much bigger problem. So in
> thinking about a 'modern' approach to issues young people face, from a
> community psychological perspective, I would like to give slightly
> different feedback - I realise it might not be what the BBC is looking
> for, and it no doubt complicates the ideas they are having for the
> programme, but it at least highlights some more 'modern' approaches, and
> attempts to be much more meaningful for young people.
>
>
>
> As a community psychologist, when I work with young people on the issues
> that are pertinent to them and the problems they face, I attempt to
> explore social issues rather than individual ones. I tend to see the
> stereotypical beliefs about young people's 'behaviours' (ie youth of
> today are useless, stick an ASBO on them) as masking much deeper
> problems in society, and the 'behaviours' themselves as symptoms (ie
> violence and aggression), reactions to much more complicated and very
> disempowering situations the young people find themselves in. The
> researcher is right, there are issues with gender, socio-economic
> status, race and background that young people face: young people from
> particular communities, backgrounds, race and gender are far more likely
> for example to be excluded by their school for behaviour the school sees
> as unacceptable: identical behaviour from young people of other
> backgrounds does not get punished in the same way (I have references I
> can give you if you're interested).
>
>
>
> However, in addition to these societal issues which are pervading,
> individualising and blaming, there is the added stigma young people
> face, and that is our perception of youth itself. Compounding all these
> societal causes are our societal beliefs of young people, and the way
> they are treated as a consequence. Firstly we tend to think young
> people are incapable: of making reasoned decisions, of taking control of
> their lives, or of participating in their community (if they choose to).
> Secondly we tend to believe they are vulnerable. At developing stages
> in our lives we are indeed physically weaker, but that argument pretty
> much gets inadequate when I'm working with six foot sixteen year olds!
> We still believe however young people need protecting, in particular
> from harm from adults. We tackle this however by taking control, as
> adults ourselves, by making decisions, by believing we can protect by
> knowing what's best. In this way we remove self control from young
> people - we don't let them make their own decisions, eg they sometimes
> don't really get a reasoned choice over whether they take part in
> research. I don't have time to argue for this in the one post - I can
> come back to it if people are interested!
>
>
>
> So, we control young people's lives. If they accept this we get nice
> 'well behaved' young people who grow into passive, uncritical, rule
> following adults - they learned how to work in the system - hence the
> difficulty in getting university students to think critically!! If they
> don't accept the unconditional respect we require from them, the
> arbitrary rules, the control exerted over them and the lack of power,
> they rebel. We don't give them much room for this, and we certainly
> don't enable them to be assertive. So these young people appear angry,
> frustrated and aggressive, and ultimately, we exclude them from areas of
> society like schooling and label them deviant. Those 'modern
> behaviours' mentioned in the post are interesting - to me they are
> modern responses to this lack of formal power. Young people are acutely
> aware of this in modern society - they understand very well that they
> are being controlled. They are also developing skills that make them
> more capable than us: they understand modern technology better, they
> have much healthier opinions about the environment - the research I have
> done has been in schools, and the young people I worked with were very
> good at explaining the core problems in their schools, that were very
> difficult for schools or teachers to see.
>
>
>
> So, I would really like to see these issues explored in a programme!! I
> realise, from experience, that this is a tall order. What would be
> really great to see, instead of the show confirming to the young people
> that there is something fundamentally wrong with them, and that they
> need to learn new skills, is a show that allows the young people to
> explore what they think has affected them - the community they live in,
> the schools they went to, the teachers they developed relationships
> with. Are they treated in certain ways by society/community/individuals
> because of beliefs about their identity, perhaps their race or gender?
> Have they started to believe these things themselves? Caroline Howarth
> in particular has done some really interesting work with young people on
> their race or ethnic background and how that has affected their
> experiences at school, and in turn their beliefs of themselves. What
> have these things made them feel? How have they reacted? One step
> further would be to see if there are things that can be changed, not
> just within the young people, but in their schools and communities. I
> was really interested by the debates surrounding gang violence and the
> recent shootings in London . I didn't see anyone going to the actual
> young people, the gangs even, to even ask them about the issues. Why
> did no one attempt to hold talks with the young people, open dialogue
> try to resolve the issue directly? The method that is popular at the
> moment is more control, greater punishment, and more labelling of young
> people - I'm not condoning violence, but we do seem to be making it much
> worse, rather than better - anger, frustration, lack of power and the
> aggression that goes with it seem to be somewhat 'modern' issues, and I
> don't see anger management classes helping all that much!
>
>
>
> Goodness, that's a very long rant! Apologies to anyone who has fallen
> asleep by now! If this isn't useful for the BBC thing, perhaps it will
> start some debate on the list about young people's experiences
>
>
>
> Rachael
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>
>
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> From: The UK Community Psychology Discussion List on behalf of Anne
> Cooke
> Sent: Wed 28/02/2007 10:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Potential BBC3 programme
>
> Hi Anne,
>
> I am contacting you on the suggestion of the British Psychological
> Society Media Centre; I am currently developing a programme idea for BBC
> Three and I was hoping to speak to you to gather some information about
> modern behavioural problems amongst young people and adults. The kind of
> things I am interested in are whether there are new problems or issues
> that have only emerged in the last 5-10 years, whether certain issues
> have become much more prevalent during that period, whether certain
> problems effect people of a certain gender, race, socio-economic
> background etc.
>
> The idea is in a very early phase of development but the basic format
> that we envisage at this stage is to take our contributors on a physical
> journey of some sort, during which they will have the opportunity to
> confront and begin to deal with their particular behavioural issues, and
> also discover more about themselves and to develop new skills etc.
>
> As the programme is for BBC Three it is important that it deals with
> issues that feel modern and contemporary whilst also featuring a
> relatively wide range of ages, backgrounds and characters. I apologise
> for the brief being so broad but at this stage we are hoping to explore
> as many avenues as possible; so any help that you could give me would be
> very much appreciated. Any information that you can send me via email
> would be fantastic or if it is more convenient I can arrange to call you
> at time that is handy for you.
>
> Many Thanks,
>
> Daniel Rawling
> Television Researcher
> Entertainment Development
> BBC Scotland
> T: 0141 338 2523
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