Goede dag Gerard,
interesting that you think my last e-mail was addressed to you ;-)!
Yes, this was my first moralizing posting on this board after some 16
years. A bit sense of humor is fine, but the last posting was simply too
much. We shouldn't attack people personally or discriminate against
them, even if they don't follow a general policy about how to ask questions.
Dirk.
Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:
> gruzi dirk,
>
> come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't funny or helpful either
> - just moralising. (by the way - 't is a strange fact that whenever i
> get any negative reactions to my own postings they stem *exclusively*
> from any or all of these three countries: the us, germany and
> switzerland. positive reactions, on the other hand, are typically from
> (again) the us and the uk. i think there might be a phd thesis in there
> for some cultural anthropologist)
>
> to address your point - we are here to try and answer queries, not to
> teach people crystallography from the ground up. that's what supervisors
> are for. and my advice to students without (access to)
> crystallographically trained supervisors would be to apply for a good
> course (e.g., the one in cold spring harbor every autumn), to move
> elsewhere or to not do crystallography (so as to avoid mono-, di-, tri-,
> tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to be a bit of a blot on anyone's
> cv)
>
> i think this is the point that the people who replied "carefully" etc.
> were making, albeit more succinctly and humourously (albeit a trifle
> sarcastically, perhaps). moreover, these replies came from people who
> have contributed seriously to ccp4bb on numerous occasions!
>
> look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings are annoying. such
> postings, and moralisations about "good style", can eventually tee off
> the experts who take the time to share their knowledge and expertise. if
> joe bloggs, who never posts anything, is annoyed by one of my posts and
> unsubscribes, that's his loss. if, however, people like tassos
> unsubscribe it's *our* loss!
>
> so, dear subscribers: before posting a question - ask your supervisor
> and/or your colleagues. if they can't help you, search the web with
> google (in many cases your question will have been asked, and answered,
> before). if you're still not happy, then by all means post a message to
> the appropriate bulletin board
>
> darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm moralising myself! guess i'd
> better move to switzerland then ;-)
>
> --dvd
>
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> although Shivesh's question was not very specific, and he should have
>> clearly given some more informations about what he would like to know,
>> he is probably a beginner in crystallography and simply asked for help
>> on this board. Not everyone has always time or is always in the mood
>> to answer such questions. In my opinion, it's then better not to
>> respond at all than to give an answer like yours that is neither
>> helpful nor funny! We all should try to keep a good style here.
>>
>> Dirk.
>>
>> Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
>>> why don't you just send all your images to the ccp4bb, then we'll
>>> process them, solve the structure and publish it for you.
>>> And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky.
>>> Mark
>>> On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote:
>>>
>>>> Anastassis Perrakis wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> I have a data set at 2.2A, of the selenomethionene labelled
>>>>>> protein.How should I process the data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carefully !
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanx for the help.
>>>>>> Shivesh
>>>>>
>>>>> Tassos
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !"
>>>>
>>>> jon
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Jonathan M. Grimes, Royal Society Research Fellow University
>>>> Research Lecturer
>>>> Division of Structural Biology
>>>> Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
>>>> University of Oxford
>>>> Roosevelt Drive,
>>>> Oxford OX3 7BN, UK
>>>>
>>>> Email: [log in to unmask], Web: www.strubi.ox.ac.uk Tel: (+44)
>>>> - 1865 - 287561, FAX: (+44) - 1865 - 287547
>>>
>>> Mark J. van Raaij
>>> Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia
>>> and
>>> Unidad de Rayos X, Edificio CACTUS
>>> Universidad de Santiago
>>> 15782 Santiago de Compostela
>>> Spain
>>> http://web.usc.es/~vanraaij/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ****************************************
>> Dirk Kostrewa
>> Paul Scherrer Institut
>> Biomolecular Research, OFLC/110
>> CH-5232 Villigen PSI, Switzerland
>> Phone: +41-56-310-4722
>> Fax: +41-56-310-5288
>> E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>> http://sb.web.psi.ch
>> ****************************************
>>
>
>
> with best regards,
>
> --gerard
>
> ******************************************************************
> Gerard J. Kleywegt
> [Research Fellow of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences]
> Dept. of Cell & Molecular Biology University of Uppsala
> Biomedical Centre Box 596
> SE-751 24 Uppsala SWEDEN
>
> http://xray.bmc.uu.se/gerard/ mailto:[log in to unmask]
> ******************************************************************
> The opinions in this message are fictional. Any similarity
> to actual opinions, living or dead, is purely coincidental.
> ******************************************************************
--
****************************************
Dirk Kostrewa
Paul Scherrer Institut
Biomolecular Research, OFLC/110
CH-5232 Villigen PSI, Switzerland
Phone: +41-56-310-4722
Fax: +41-56-310-5288
E-mail: [log in to unmask]
http://sb.web.psi.ch
****************************************
|