I have found in my usenet adventures that usenet mavens often point
to this link before trying to sort out among themselves exactly what
level of humor to take with dubious posts:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Of course usenet mavens also complain a little too much about "top-
posting"--an aspect of ccp4bb that gives it special charm.
James
On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:31 AM, Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:
> gruzi dirk,
>
> come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't funny or helpful
> either - just moralising. (by the way - 't is a strange fact that
> whenever i get any negative reactions to my own postings they stem
> *exclusively* from any or all of these three countries: the us,
> germany and switzerland. positive reactions, on the other hand, are
> typically from (again) the us and the uk. i think there might be a
> phd thesis in there for some cultural anthropologist)
>
> to address your point - we are here to try and answer queries, not
> to teach people crystallography from the ground up. that's what
> supervisors are for. and my advice to students without (access to)
> crystallographically trained supervisors would be to apply for a
> good course (e.g., the one in cold spring harbor every autumn), to
> move elsewhere or to not do crystallography (so as to avoid mono-,
> di-, tri-, tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to be a bit of a
> blot on anyone's cv)
>
> i think this is the point that the people who replied "carefully"
> etc. were making, albeit more succinctly and humourously (albeit a
> trifle sarcastically, perhaps). moreover, these replies came from
> people who have contributed seriously to ccp4bb on numerous occasions!
>
> look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings are annoying. such
> postings, and moralisations about "good style", can eventually tee
> off the experts who take the time to share their knowledge and
> expertise. if joe bloggs, who never posts anything, is annoyed by
> one of my posts and unsubscribes, that's his loss. if, however,
> people like tassos unsubscribe it's *our* loss!
>
> so, dear subscribers: before posting a question - ask your
> supervisor and/or your colleagues. if they can't help you, search
> the web with google (in many cases your question will have been
> asked, and answered, before). if you're still not happy, then by
> all means post a message to the appropriate bulletin board
>
> darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm moralising myself! guess
> i'd better move to switzerland then ;-)
>
> --dvd
>
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> although Shivesh's question was not very specific, and he should
>> have clearly given some more informations about what he would like
>> to know, he is probably a beginner in crystallography and simply
>> asked for help on this board. Not everyone has always time or is
>> always in the mood to answer such questions. In my opinion, it's
>> then better not to respond at all than to give an answer like
>> yours that is neither helpful nor funny! We all should try to keep
>> a good style here.
>>
>> Dirk.
>>
>> Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
>>> why don't you just send all your images to the ccp4bb, then we'll
>>> process them, solve the structure and publish it for you.
>>> And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky.
>>> Mark
>>> On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote:
>>>> Anastassis Perrakis wrote:
>>>>> On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote:
>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>> I have a data set at 2.2A, of the selenomethionene labelled
>>>>>> protein.How should I process the data.
>>>>> Carefully !
>>>>>> Thanx for the help.
>>>>>> Shivesh
>>>>> Tassos
>>>>
>>>> i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !"
>>>>
>>>> jon
>>>> --
>>>> Dr. Jonathan M. Grimes, Royal Society Research Fellow
>>>> University Research Lecturer
>>>> Division of Structural Biology
>>>> Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
>>>> University of Oxford
>>>> Roosevelt Drive,
>>>> Oxford OX3 7BN, UK
>>>> Email: [log in to unmask], Web: www.strubi.ox.ac.uk Tel:
>>>> (+44) - 1865 - 287561, FAX: (+44) - 1865 - 287547
>>> Mark J. van Raaij
>>> Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia
>>> and
>>> Unidad de Rayos X, Edificio CACTUS
>>> Universidad de Santiago
>>> 15782 Santiago de Compostela
>>> Spain
>>> http://web.usc.es/~vanraaij/
>>
>>
>> --
>>
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>> Dirk Kostrewa
>> Paul Scherrer Institut
>> Biomolecular Research, OFLC/110
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>
>
> with best regards,
>
> --gerard
>
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