It hasn't come uncontested here either. Twain, for one, met a lot of
hostility. And Huck Finn was an exception--rural dialect was humorous
and sentimental, black rural dialect humorous, Irish dialect humorous
or ugly, then sentimental. And it's still rarely the voice of the
narrator--Faulkner's characters talk southren, his narrator usually doesn't.
Mark
At 08:01 PM 3/29/2007, you wrote:
>What always irks me is that American usage is celebrated and
>investigated in work constantly and beautifully, from Twain to Faulkner
>to Kerouac to Creeley to Baldwin et alia.
>
>In Australia it's code for sentimentality, conservatism and
>embarrassment. To my eyes anyway.
>
>caleb
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Poetryetc: poetry and poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>Behalf Of Joseph Duemer
>Sent: Friday, 30 March 2007 9:56 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: off of
>
>As in, "Baldwin based the character of Sonny off of Charlie Parker."
>Just
>read that in a student paper today.
>
>jd
>
>On 3/29/07, Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > "hey! you! get off of my cloud"
> >
> > On 3/29/07, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > As in "get off of me."
> > >
> > > Us colonial types don't have a category "barbarism."
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > >
> > > At 10:24 PM 3/28/2007, you wrote:
> > > > Many Americans, even educated ones (but few nonamericans) say
> > > >
> > > >off of...
> > > >
> > > >[from Google:
> > > >Language Corner: Fused Participle; "off of"
> > > >Fused Participle; "off of". Cut That Fuse. BY EVAN JENKINS ... (And
> > while in
> > > >technical land, we should note that "off of" is a barbarism; drop
> > > >the "of.") ...
> > > >www.cjr.org/tools/lc/fused.asp]
> > > >
> > > >Is it a barbarism?
> > > >
> > > >Max
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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>
>
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>Joseph Duemer
>Professor of Humanities
>Clarkson University
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