I am sure that I am not alone in finding these comments not only unhelpful,
but almost totally disconnected from the purpose for which this list was
established.
For the record; visit the JISC web site, browse through the development
projects section, and look at the numbers of institutions which have
received development project funding recently. Is it your view that any
member of staff at one of those institutions is disqualified from
contributing to this list, or somehow tainted? Perhaps institutions which
use JISC provided services or resources should be regarded similarly? As far
as I am concerned, we *all* have a vested interest in the JISC.
There are established processes by which JISC involves and consults the
community on the objectives of development funding calls, in drafting ITTs,
in town meetings, in the marking and review process, and in monitoring the
progress of funded projects. I am sure that there are many ways in which
these processes can be improved, and constructive dialogue around this would
be useful to all concerned, if still a little off-list topic.
Ian
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On 14/2/07 18:48, "Richard Everett" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Stuart
>
> You wouldnt be defending a vested interest would you?
>
> Your institution (Oxford University) was funded in the region of 47K and 39K
> respectively
>
> in two eLearning related ITTs funded via HEFCE over the past 15 months.
> Source: JISC.
>
> Richard
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Virtual Learning Environments on behalf of Stuart Lee
> Sent: Wed 14/02/2007 16:33
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [VLES] JISC bid funding and the HE in FE consultation
>
>
>
> Well it is actually about who funds JISC to be honest; they can't be seen
> to be spending HE's money on FE. Similarly (and in my opinion it is a much
> bigger problem) JISC are restricted in some of their calls (by the funding
> coming only from HEFCE) to only allowing English institutions to bid.
> Again not JISC's fault, not HEFCE's, but an issue that perhaps should be
> taken up with SHEFCE etc.
>
> *However* that does not mean Scottish institutions cannot benefit from
> this, all it means is that an English HEI has to be the lead. So we
> regularly place bids where Oxford is the lead but in collaboration with
> colleagues in UHI.
>
> Similarly, we could, and have done in the past - approach JISC for funding
> as a collaborative project with an FE college. We are the 'lead' site, but
> we work with the FE college.
>
> I would expect the same if the funding came from BECTA - e.g. we could not
> be the lead but we could assist and collaborate with a college if asked.
>
> I take your point that the enforced barriers between schools/FE/HE is not
> good for anyone, and I'm sure everyone tries to break that down. But that,
> in my opinion, is not the fault of JISC or HEFCE and their hands are tied.
> It is the fault of the DfES, or of funding bodies such as the LSC who
> withdraw funding from a partnership that was achieving exactly the aims
> you champion.
>
> On another note I have absolutely no doubt that colleagues at FE colleges
> are doing excellent work in e-learning but I would really like to see your
> evidence (and not anecdotal) to support the statement:
>
> "who are quite bluntly much more advanced in using VLE, MLE and associated
> technology than many HE institutions."
>
> From my limited experience in e-learning (a mere 17 years) I would say I
> have seen some excellent work across all sectors, but I have also seen
> some very poor stuff across all sectors. I think most people at FE, HE,
> and schools use e-learning where it is appropriate based on the differing
> constraints they all face.
>
> Stuart
>
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> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Richard Everett wrote:
>
>> This is not just about who funds the JISC - it is about the fact that HE
>> are losing a valuable opportunity to gain from the experience of many
>> smaller colleges who are quite bluntly much more advanced in using VLE,
>> MLE and associated technology than many HE institutions. HE is therefore
>> missing out on valuable and innovative expertise - that is something
>> that should be of concern to HEFCE!
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>> RICHARD EVERETT
>>
>> Director of eLearning
>>
>>
>>
>> Oaklands College
>>
>> St Albans Smallford Campus
>>
>> Hatfield Road
>>
>> St Albans
>>
>> Hertfordshire
>>
>> AL4 0JA
>>
>> Direct line: 01727 737 794
>>
>> Fax: 01727 847 987
>>
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>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Virtual Learning Environments [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>> Behalf Of Stuart Lee
>> Sent: 14 February 2007 16:12
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [VLES] JISC bid funding and the HE in FE consultation
>>
>> Haven't we been round this one before?
>>
>> JISC is funded by HEFCE, the *Higher Education* Funding Council for
>> England. It *did* receive funding from the Learning and Skills Council
>> (which funds a lot of FE) but that funding was massively reduced by the
>> LSC. I'm not sure how far it was reduced but it was enough to push JISC
>> down this route.
>>
>> I fully realise there is a blur at the boundary between some areas of FE
>>
>> and HE but the simple matter is HE funds JISC (or at least the lion's
>> share), FE funding for JISC was slashed by the LSC, thus JISC cannot
>> support FE anything like the way it did or would like to. So the issue
>> is
>> not with HEFCE, JISC, or HEIs, but with the LSC isn't it?
>>
>> Stuart
>>
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>> Oxford University Computing | Computing Services
>> Services |
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>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Richard Everett wrote:
>>
>>> As many of you will already be aware HEFCE are currently seeking views
>>> on the main elements of their policy for supporting Higher Education
>> in
>>> Further Education colleges. Clearly that includes aspects of how the
>>> JISC works too.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have a view about the restriction of only colleges with more
>> than
>>> 400 FTEs being able to lead bids for JISC projects - would it be worth
>>> replying to the consultation?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The consultation document can be found at
>>> http://www.hefce.ac.uk/pubs/hefce/2006/06_48/ and has to be completed
>> by
>>> 20th February
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> IMHO Qs 7, 11 and 12 could all be places where elements of the JISCs
>>> activity could be relevant and I think the importance of fairness,
>>> clarity and transparency (much emphasised in the consultation
>> document)
>>> could be enhanced by the JISC funding all Further Education Colleges
>>> delivering HE irrespective of how much HE is delivered.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Views anyone?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> RICHARD EVERETT
>>>
>>> Director of eLearning
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oaklands College
>>>
>>> St Albans Smallford Campus
>>>
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>>>
>>> St Albans
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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