Yes, this is true, written in history books.
On 2/28/07, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Many years ago I knew a Serbian woman whose father remembered the
> Balkan Wars. Having seen it, he described to her, and she passed on
> to me, how it was done. A stake was planted in the ground, with
> perhaps two feet above the surface. The victim was carefully lowered
> onto it, so that it entered all the way into his colon. missing vital
> organs. The idea was that he was supposed to bleed to death slowly,
> in maximum pain and humiliation. Family members would stay with the
> victim, offering what comfort they could, as well as food and drink.
> There would usually be dozens in this state in a given place, so that
> it must have resembled a church picnic gone very sour.
>
> Vlad is on one occasion said to have impaled 10,000. Turks and
> Christians alike used it as punishment and disincentive.
>
> Who needs fictional horror stories? And aren't we a wonderfully
> creative species?
>
> Mark
>
> At 02:08 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> >I love what you do with "stakes," Mark.
> >
> >It's another curiosity that the same kind of sharpened
> >wooden stake is used both by humans, to kill a
> >_vampire_ , and (in Vlad's case) used by a vampire to
> >torture and kill his (presumably human) enemies.
> >
> >Candice
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Yup--vamp is short for vampire. A vamp theoretically
> > > could suck the
> > > life out of a man. First applied to Theodora Barra I
> > > think.
> > >
> > > In the days before electric razors vampires must
> > > have shaved when
> > > they first woke up, before they hunted. Otherwise,
> > > since they can't
> > > use mirrors, it would have been a bloody mess.
> > >
> > > Invite no one in.
> > > Your friend
> > > could be a vampire.
> > >
> > > High stakes,
> > > low stakes,
> > > one sure stake for me.
> > >
> > > At 01:35 PM 2/28/2007, you wrote:
> > > >Joanna
> > > >Are vamps related to vampires??
> > > >Sounds a good thread though
> > > >P de P
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue
> > > relating to poetry and
> > > >poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > > Of Joanna Boulter
> > > >Sent: 28 February 2007 16:17
> > > >To: [log in to unmask]
> > > >Subject: Re: Vlad the Impaler
> > > >
> > > >But hasn't anyone written any vampire poems? And if
> > > not, why not?
> > > >
> > > >Just a thought.
> > > >
> > > >joanna
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: "MC Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > >Subject: Re: Vlad the Impaler
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I'd love to see your course list, Doug--thank
> > > you, and
> > > > > I wish I could take a course like yours.
> > > However, it
> > > > > would be hard for me, as usual, to avoid the
> > > "Zizak
> > > > > problem" of staying on text. No matter what I
> > > see/read
> > > > > of the "reimaginings of _Dracula_, I eventually
> > > end up
> > > > > back with Stoker and, in my Signet Classic
> > > edition,
> > > > > the fine introduction by Leonard Woolf.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, we'd better get back to poetry, as Joe has
> > > gently
> > > > > suggested, and leave other things to the "shadow
> > > > > world" of the back channel.
> > > > >
> > > > > Candice
> > > > >
> > > > > My great hope in making this story public is
> > > that it
> > > > > will find at least one reader who will
> > > understand it
> > > > > for what it actually is: a cri de coeur. To you,
> > > > > perceptive reader, I bequeath my history.
> > > > > (Elizabeth Kostova)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Thanks for this, Candice; I'll keep a look out
> > > for
> > > > >> it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I'm just a bit of a reader of vampire fiction
> > > (& a
> > > > >> big, but not really
> > > > >> fannish, fan of Buffy). And the last English
> > > course
> > > > >> I taught, in my
> > > > >> retirement year, was a senior course on popular
> > > > >> culture titled
> > > > >> Twentieth Century Vampires, which took in a
> > > long
> > > > >> 20th century as we
> > > > >> began with some short fiction & Dracula from
> > > the
> > > > >> 1890s.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> There are a couple of novels, highly
> > > > >> erotic/romantic, starring Mina, &
> > > > >> Dracula's last sister, that take the original
> > > story
> > > > >> further, Mina &
> > > > >> Blood to Blood.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you'd like to see my course list, I'd be
> > > happy to
> > > > >> send it b/c.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Doug
> > > > >> On 27-Feb-07, at 10:01 AM, MC Ward wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> > Doug (and others who may be interested in the
> > > > >> > narrative strategies used to recover--or
> > > > >> recuperate-
> > > > >> > the history as well as the new "reimaginings"
> > > of
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > Dracula legend), there's a new novel out
> > > called
> > > > >> > (unfortunately, in my opinion) _Fangland_ by
> > > John
> > > > >> > Marks. This time the Dracula material is set
> > > in
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > world of broadcast journalism, where
> > > "Evangeline
> > > > >> > Harker" (presumably the daughter or
> > > granddaughter
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> > Jonathan and Mina) works as a producer. The
> > > novel
> > > > >> > begins with her journals, as Stoker's does
> > > with
> > > > >> > Harker's journal, apart from a brief foreword
> > > by
> > > > >> one
> > > > >> > James Malley that is similar to Stoker's.
> > > Malley
> > > > >> > begins by saying that "the following
> > > document" was
> > > > >> > "generated in the spirit of the 9-11
> > > Commission
> > > > >> > Report," which gives you some idea of its
> > > > >> deliberately
> > > > >> > contemporary basis. Again, there are several
> > > > >> > speakers/writers competing for the "I"
> > > position.
> > > > >> > "James Malley" also says in his foreword that
> > > the
> > > > >> book
> > > > >> > is "an heir to the great novels of the
> > > realism of
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > nineteenth century, a Tolstoyan account of
> > > > >> calamity."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > That's all I can tell you about _Fangland_,
> > > which
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> > acquired at my local library just today. (I
> > > also
> > > > >> > ordered _Children of the Night_--on the basis
> > > of
> > > > >> > Doug's recommendation--thanks for the tip.)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > I'm curious, Doug, about your interest in
> > > this
> > > > >> > material. Can you say something about that?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Candice
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > There is throughout no statement of past
> > > things
> > > > >> > wherein memory may err...
> > > > >> > (Bram Stoker)
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > >
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> > > > >> Douglas Barbour
> > > > >> 11655 - 72 Avenue NW
> > > > >> Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9
> > >
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