bibliography? pant_ pant_
translations here, sort of similar
I guess
On 2/16/07, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> I've barely been following the list recently--overwhelmingly busy.
> But I did catch the tale end of this thread. I would have loved to
> see the improvements suggested to the Auden. For my part, I think it
> beyond improvement. What could one possibly do with a line as stupid,
> and trivializing, as "Mad Ireland hurt you into poetry?"
>
> This, and his elegy for Freud, written in the same period, are
> usually held up as Auden asserting a neoclassicism, which was to turn
> a lot of poetry into public school (in the brit sense) irony verging
> on smugness and smirk for the next 20 years. It's unfair of course to
> blame Auden for the hordes of his followers, and I'll admit to not
> having shaken off the memory of when Auden himself had become the old
> order one had to fight. His work has never done anything for me, and
> usually bores the hell out ofme. I admire his facility but wish he'd
> been willing to challenge himself. Here he's directly challenging
> what for him was the old order, Yeats' neoromantic modernism. The
> problem is that Yeats, as silly as he often is and worse, is so much
> better a poet, so much more willing to push his limits, even if that
> meant occasional bathos. He was always changing. Out of a lifetime of
> struggle with the medium came Among School Children, and a great deal
> else along the way. Some wonderful plays and prose, too. As to the
> prose, generally less known, the introductions to both versions of A
> Vision are wonderful, despite the silliness to follow, as are the
> stories of Red Hanrahan and the early Celtic Twilight, and of course
> the autobiographies, including The Death of Synge.
>
> As to using the word poet in a poem, why is that different in kind
> from using the word blacksmith, say? Except that most of us know a
> lot more about what's involved in being a poet. Does it make a
> difference if one writes about or refers to a poet without using the job
> title?
>
> OK, back to bibliography.
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 07:22 AM 2/16/2007, you wrote:
> >Thank you, Alison -- I didn't mean it in any malicious way -- but
> >the responsibility is still mine.
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Croggon" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 7:19 AM
> >Subject: Re: Early Snap - Famous
> >
> >
> >>Well, I should have kept my own mouth shut.
> >>
> >>For my part, I honestly didn't think Tad's posting of the poem to be
> >>malicious, and I'm sorry it's been taken that way.
> >>
> >>On 2/16/07, TheOldMole <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>I do apologize. There are lots and lots and lots of canonical poems
> that I
> >>>wouldn't recognize -- probably more for me than most of the people on
> this
> >>>list.
> >>>
> >>>The only thing I can say is that I wasn't attempting to justify
> anything,
> >>>because when I posted my second note, I hadn't realized that people had
> >>>critiqued Auden (and well, I thought). I should have posted this
> apology
> >>>sooner.
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "MC Ward" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 10:30 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Early Snap - Famous
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> > Alison,
> >>> >
> >>> > Are you satisfied by Tad's "justification" of what he
> >>> > did? Myself, I feel that he should at least apologize
> >>> > to the list in general--and Anny and Kasper in
> >>> > particular--for making fools of us/them, if nothing
> >>> > else.
> >>> >
> >>> > I'm very upset by this, and I wonder what Anny and Joe
> >>> > think.
> >>> >
> >>> > Candice
> >>> >
> >>> > Let the water wash over your face
> >>> > I'll send it in waves
> >>> > Just to see you perform the great escape
> >>> > (Moby)
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > --- Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> I expect that Moley here didn't realise that people
> >>> >> wouldn't recognise
> >>> >> that poem!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> And I am, I confess, more than a little surprised.
> >>> >> Surely one of
> >>> >> Auden's best known? And that line, "poetry makes
> >>> >> nothing happen", one
> >>> >> of his most quoted? Certainly one of my favourites
> >>> >> of all time. (I'm
> >>> >> sure that Wystan would appreciate the workshopping;
> >>> >> that last stanza
> >>> >> is in my eyes pretty incredible...)
> >>> >>
> >>> >> All best
> >>> >>
> >>> >> A
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au
> >>> >> Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com
> >>> >> Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com
> >>> >>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>>
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> >>> > Don't pick lemons.
> >>> > See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos.
> >>> > http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Editor, Masthead: http://www.masthead.net.au
> >>Blog: http://theatrenotes.blogspot.com
> >>Home page: http://www.alisoncroggon.com
>
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