JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for GP-UK Archives


GP-UK Archives

GP-UK Archives


GP-UK@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

GP-UK Home

GP-UK Home

GP-UK  February 2007

GP-UK February 2007

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Re: How should sickness certification work?

From:

Julian Bradley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

GP-UK <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:15:39 +0000

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (63 lines)

At 21:26 11/02/2007, you wrote:
>Who really knows whether a Pt is able to go to work?
>
>Ummmm...
>The Patient, The Adult, The Responsible Person.
>Most of the time
>
>Unless there is some power-knowledge-control thing going on, where Doctors
>are the only people who can be "responsible"
>
>Of course, sometimes adults lie.
>And sometimes doctors are incompetent or venal.
>
>Anyone know the Type 1 / Type 2 errors on this?
>
>How about everyone - even medical professionals - is allowed to sign their
>own certification?
>(Of course they may need advice from Doctors on physical symptoms /
>diagnosis / prognosis, which they can choose to request.)
>
>Which is not the same question as "Am I able to go to work?"
>
>S

Society may rightly expect that the proportion of doctors who are 
incompetent or venal is lower than the proportion of those who may 
abuse society's benefits.

The medical profession is certainly not without faults, but if you 
wish to suggest that the above proposition is untrue I hope you have 
good evidence, and I think we would all expect that evidence to be acted upon.

There are many circumstances, including infectious disease, 
psychiatric illness and even fever (because significant fever impairs 
judgement), where advice from a properly trained practitioner is 
useful and perhaps essential.  Patients, particularly in the past, 
were often advised to take excessive lengths of time off work 
following surgery (usually by nurses, data has been published though 
reference not to hand) compared to the advice given by surgeons or 
many GPs.  Finally for those working in medicine, or in other high 
commitment jobs where the temptation to return too early after 
physical illness is particularly high, a third party who can make a 
dispassionate judgement can be of great help.

There may be a training deficiency in general practice, though I 
suspect we are in fact better trained for and more capable of this 
role than most alternative professionals, but a referral service for 
complex situations would be of value.

FWIW one might suspect that a widespread adoption of long term self 
certification as the above posting appears to suggest would lead to a 
widespread reduction in employee sickness benefits.  This would seem 
profoundly regrettable.

Finally there are likely judgements regarding fitness for work that 
could be regarded as false negatives and false positives, but 
describing them as Type 1 / Type 2 errors seems at the very least 
odd, perhaps even an attempt to obscure or dazzle with 
pseudo-science, though if you're speaking American naturally the use 
of language may be strikingly different.

Julian 

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

March 2024
October 2023
August 2023
June 2023
May 2023
February 2023
June 2022
October 2021
January 2021
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
March 2020
January 2020
December 2019
September 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
March 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998
1997
1996


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager