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-----Original Message-----
From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Oldham
Sent: 02 February 2007 12:29
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
Dear All,
Is this the Guardian's idea of consultation?
Mind you, my comments haven't even been dignified with a response.
Is it time to resurrect the Heinz Group?
How about a round robin to Donald along the lines of:
"We the undersigned find the Guardian's use of JACs codes to assign
HESA cost centres to be seriously flawed, in that it fails to give a
true picture of academic activity in many areas. We fail to
understand why the Guardian cannot accept the allocation of Guardian
subject groups to HESA cost centres by institutions. This would
automatically overcome the problems of lining up student numbers with
staff numbers and expenditure etc. Does consultation mean
consultation - or are you prepared to continue with a method that many
find unnacceptable?"
No apologies for clogging up the group. Who's prepared to go along
with this?
Best wishes,
Brian
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:10:19 -0000 Ali Hartrey <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Like Judy, I got a response from the Guardian this morning. I started
> posting my reactions to the list, but realised that I sounded like
someone
> from Grumpy Old Women, so went off to calm down first.
>
> I have asked Donald MacLeod how I am supposed to assign provision to
the
> Guardian subjects when they will not recognise the perfectly
legitimate JACS
> codes I am using - at the moment all of our Development Studies
provision
> will disappear!
>
> It seems ridiculous to me that the sector is being forced to fall into
line
> with the Guardian's faulty classification, rather than the Guardian
trying
> to produce a Universtity Guide which truely reflects UK HE.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ali Hartrey
> Assistant Registrar
> Head of Registry Systems
> School of Oriental & African Studies
>
> tel: 020 7074 5085
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
> _____
>
> From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Judy Evans
> Sent: 02 February 2007 10:43
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: FW: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> The Guardian have finally responded (but only in part) to my earlier
> queries. Note their response below.
>
> Should we, as a sector, be concerned that the Guardian are unable to:
>
> *
>
> grasp the way in which institutions work, and the relationship
(or
> not) between JACS codes and academic cost centres;
> *
>
> include all JACS codes in their analysis, and therefore include
all
> students in their analysis
>
> Best wishes and in despair,
>
> Judy
>
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> Judy Evans
> Senior Assistant Registrar (Student Administration and Systems)
> University of Brighton
> Cockcroft Building
> Lewes Road
> Brighton
> BN2 4GJ
>
> tel: 01273 642812
> fax: 01273 642922
>
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
>
> _____
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 01 February 2007 17:45
> To: Evans Judy
> Subject: Fw: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>
>
>
> Dear Judy Evans
>
>
> Let me apologise for any lack of clarity in our request for
information for
> the Guardian university guide tables and ask you to answer the points
below
> - I hope this is the last time we will have to bother you.
>
> As in previous years please use only one Cost Centre per Guardian
subject.
> We only use principal JACS, not sub-JACS. JACS which we are not using
(and
> do not appear on the spreadsheet) are listed below. These students
will not
> be counted in the tables.
>
> I would be grateful if you could return this to me by Tuesday
(February 6)
> so we can get the ball rolling with HESA. Thank you for your
cooperation
>
> =====================
> Donald MacLeod
> editor EducationGuardian.co.uk
> and SocietyGuardian.co.uk
> 020 7239 9913
> ----- Forwarded by Donald MacLeod/Guardian/GNL on 01/02/07 17:43 -----
>
> "Lorna Lines" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>
> 01/02/07 14:01
>
>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> cc: "Julie Whittaker" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: FW: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>
>
>
> Review of Cost Centre Submission: University of Brighton
>
>
>
> While conducting the necessary quality checks on the cost centre
> consultation file for University of Brighton the following
observations have
> been made:
>
>
>
> 1 Cost Centre 41 is not used by the Guardian Tables. Please
review/adjust.
>
>
>
> 2 Only Principal Subject JACS are used when creating Guardian
Subjects. We
> have created an updated file (attached) for Brighton using only the
> principal JACS (column D), presented alongside the originally
submitted JACS
> (column C) for you to review/adjust as appropriate.
>
>
>
> 3 Multiple cost centres assigned to Guardian Subjects. Note that a
single
> cost centre should be assigned to a single Guardian Subject. Please
> review/adjust.
>
>
>
> 4 JACS codes NOT used in the Guardian Tables are: A0, A9, B0, B3, F0,
F9,
> H0, J7, J9, L0, L9, N7, Q2, Q4, Q5, Q9, V0, V9, W8, X2, Y0. Please use
only
> those available from the drop down lists.
>
>
>
>
>
> General Statements/Guidance (applicable to all HEIs):
>
>
>
> a Only Principal Subject JACS are used when creating Guardian
Subjects.
>
>
>
> b Only one cost centre should be assigned to a Guardian Subject
>
>
>
> c JACS codes NOT used in the Guardian Tables are: A0, A9, B0, B3, F0,
F9,
> H0, J7, J9, L0, L9, N7, Q2, Q4, Q5, Q9, V0, V9, W8, X2, Y0.
>
>
>
> d A valid JACS code can only appear in one Guardian Subject.
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: [log in to unmask]
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Fri 19/01/2007 16:23
> To: Rosa Scoble; Lorna Lines
> Subject: Fw: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>
>
>
> =====================
> Donald MacLeod
> editor EducationGuardian.co.uk
> and SocietyGuardian.co.uk
> 020 7239 9913
> ----- Forwarded by Donald MacLeod/Guardian/GNL on 19/01/07 16:23 -----
>
> [log in to unmask]
>
> 19/01/07 15:08
>
>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>,
<[log in to unmask]>,
> <[log in to unmask]>,
<[log in to unmask]>,
> <[log in to unmask]>
> cc:
> Subject: Getting ready for University Guide 2007
>
>
>
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find attached the University of Brighton's response to your
> consultation. As the original email address quoted in the Guardian
failed,
> apologies for the saturation posting which is purely to ensure
delivery.
>
> <<Guideconsultation 2007 University of Brighton Response.xls>>
> Best wishes,
>
> Judy
>
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> Judy Evans
> Senior Assistant Registrar (Student Administration and Systems)
> University of Brighton
> Cockcroft Building
> Lewes Road
> Brighton
> BN2 4GJ
>
> tel: 01273 642812
> fax: 01273 642922
>
> email: [log in to unmask]
>
>
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Brian Oldham
Management Data Analyst
Finance Department
King's College London
Room 7.22
James Clerk Maxwell Building
57 Waterloo Road
London SE1 8WA
Tel: 020 7848 3850
Fax: 020 7848 3356
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