Dear Brian
Please add the University of Greenwich.
We are also unhappy with their methodology and have expressed our
concerns to them however we appreciate that they will go ahead
regardless so would like to add our name to your response.
Christine Couper
Head of Planning and Statistics
University of Greenwich
Priority: NORMAL
Date sent: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:59:53 +0000
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From: Brian Oldham <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Joint response to Guardian
To: [log in to unmask]
> Hello Judy,
>
> This is essentially the approach that I've taken. In our response (to
> which I'm still waiting for a reply), King's reserved the right to
> transfer numbers between Guardian subject groups, pending
> clarification on how they used them.
>
> You might approve of Google Bombs - I could not possibly comment!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Brian
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 12:41:59 -0000 Judy Evans <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Brian,
> >
> > No comment to the text, merely another suggested form of action as well!
> > [I liked the 'idea' of Google Bombs, but didn't feel I could necessarily
> > endorse it as an approach!].
> >
> > I have identified the total FTEs for the University of Brighton that
> > will be entirely omitted under the Guardian's present methodology. I
> > have also calculated the total FTEs that will not appear under the
> > headings we would expect - thus distorting the University's subject mix
> > (and rankings) as a whole.
> >
> > If all universities were able to undertake this analysis, the total FTEs
> > affected by the Guardian's approach potentially could be significant -
> > and would warrant a response from the Guardian to defend their actions.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Judy
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Academic, financial or space planning in UK universities
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Oldham
> > Sent: 06 February 2007 11:28
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Joint response to Guardian
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > The following is the text of an email I intend to send to Donald
> > MaCleod. To date I have the following signatories: Liverpool, St.
> > Andrews, Bristol, Westminster, QMC, Glasgow, Portsmouth, Brighton,
> > Hertfordshire, Liverpool Hope, SOAS, Dundee, Reading, Teeside, KCL.
> >
> > Please let me know if you wish to be taken off the list; or
> > alternatively if you wish to be added. I intend to send it off at
> > 2.00pm tomorrow (Wed).
> >
> > If the Guardian fails to take this on board, I think we seriously need
> > to consider asking for some form of health warning to be included
> > prominently next to its tables.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Brian
> >
> >
> > The following universities strongly endorse the comments made by Judy
> > Evans of the University of Brighton:
> >
> > "Not only is it perfectly possible to have JACS codes assigned to
> > multiple academic cost centres, but there is no reason why HEIs should
> > not avail themselves of the full range of JACS codes in existence when
> > coding their provision for inclusion in the various HESA returns. Why
> > you should decide to exclude some of these legitimate codes is
> > unfathomable."
> >
> > Nor does the failure to correctly reflect academic activity only affect
> > "small" subjects, as implied in your response to another member of the
> > group. Preclinical medical and dental teaching, for example, is often
> > carried out under a range of HESA cost centres, such as anatomy,
> > pharmacology etc. Your method fails to take this into account.
> >
> > Does consultation mean consultation - or are you prepared to continue
> > with a method that many find seriously flawed?
> >
> > -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o-
> > Brian Oldham
> > Management Data Analyst
> > Finance Department
> > King's College London
> > Room 7.22
> > James Clerk Maxwell Building
> > 57 Waterloo Road
> > London SE1 8WA
> > Tel: 020 7848 3850
> > Fax: 020 7848 3356
>
> -o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-oo-o-o-o-o-
> Brian Oldham
> Management Data Analyst
> Finance Department
> King's College London
> Room 7.22
> James Clerk Maxwell Building
> 57 Waterloo Road
> London SE1 8WA
> Tel: 020 7848 3850
> Fax: 020 7848 3356
David Marks
Planning & Statistics Assistant
University of Greenwich
Tel: 020 8331 9350
Fax: 020 8331 8855
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