Hi Scrat,
yes! looong time no hear! And hi to Philippe, long time no hear as
well!! :D
... Art as Management or Management as Art; I don't realy see the
difference, if one uses the terminology "manager as artist" (and/or
finds oneself in the discourse of 'manager as artist'); the 'manager
as artist' sees him/her activity "as art" - hence his/her 'tool' is
"art".
Though: I like to 'reframe' or 'explain' my former text - it's an
unfinished text/paper after all...;-)
:
First of all I'm not trying to say anything about why, how, or if,
'management as art'-projects/approaches "works". My statement is
first of all and only this:
If we use the term 'art' - when we analyses / evaluate / criticise
the 'outcome' or 'processes' of 'management as art' / 'art as
management' / 'organisational art'-projects, etc., or if we try to
find the conditions / criteria / a thinking / theory (and practice)
of 'management as art' / 'organisational art projects', etc.. - we
need to get contemporary 'art criticism' (and the theory of art) into
the play too.
--
Then - IF we like to initiate 'a theory' of 'management as art' we
need to find 'common ground' for 'art criticism/theory' and
'management criticism/theory'.
(nb.: I mention 'criticism' and 'theory' in the same context here
because I think we need to address/criticise specific cases if we
like to get hold of a 'theory' in all of this; both the art practise
and the management practice isn't overly 'theoretical'. Additionally:
'theory of art' is closely linked to 'art critique').
The suggestion of my text is then to look at 'how to handle the
event' - because to look at 'the event' is presumably giving if to
address both contemporary 'art' and contemporary 'management',
according to both Kirkeby and Latham (and perhaps others too...? Let
me know!)).
'The event' is - I grant - a core concept of the human being/
thinking; Through: We can perhaps theorise / evaluate / criticise
'art' and 'management' and 'management as art' in a much more
coherent manner if we investigate the ways the artists, the managers
handle 'the event' (e.g. in 'decision making' and 'organising' in
specific contexts).
'How to handle the event' in 'art situations' and in 'management
situations' can maybe give us a clue of what differs and what is 'the
same' in 'art' and 'management' (if one can frame it in such
exclusive terms as 'same'/'not-same'... ), and we can maybe get a
clearer picture of to were a terminology and/or a discourse such as
'manager as artist' might lead us. Or if a terminology of, or
discourse of, 'manager as artist' makes sense at all...
And then - when/if we may get more (theoretical) hold of 'art' in
relation to 'management' - we are more able of making stands toward
specific procedures and prospects of 'manager as artist' or 'artist
as manager' in organisational/communal contexts ...
I myself think / guess - IF and WHEN "Leadership" = "Artist-
ship" (the terms relating to 'the event' as in my text), then one is
bound to become very 'practical' - and 'political' - indeed.
To 'handle the event' is much about who can, and how to, sanction
e.g. 'the (hi)story' (sanction the interpretation of '(hi)story')).
And in the example of 'a story' we see that 'event' and 'art' - and
'event' and 'management' - is linked, and that the 'handling of the
event' is essential in an everyday practice in relation to
'spectator', 'participant', 'employee', 'citizen', 'customer',
'user', etc.
My guess and experience is - if I'm forced to make a stand: The
manager or the artist who in her/his "art" 'opens up' for 'more'
possibilities of interpretations and therefore of 'more' perspectives
of plausible (social) 'innovations', and of 'more' perspectives of
plausible lives to be lived is the 'better' "artist" / "manager"...
Latham would, I think, call such person an "incidental person".
all best wises,
Scratt - hope you have nice spirits in India!
;-))
kent
Den 04/02/2007 kl. 15.57 skrev Henrik schrat:
> Hi!
> This discussion is too beautiful, too good and too sublime for an
> alien, which is different from the others, to be silent. So I am
> bound to be full of goodness, beauty and tragic, and sometimes, in
> the late evenings, also of sublime spirits.
> Kent, long time no hear! nice text heavy stuff (-; Thoouuuuuhg -
> good thing to look at it from the level of event, I like the
> argumentation (is there a relation to Nicolas Bauriaud though ? )
> But as always a there is a but, a big butt, you cant put ART AS
> MANAGNEMENT and MANAGEMENT AS ART in the same pot -? That’s THE
> fundamental difference I would say... Or did I get you wrong -? To
> establish a third perspective - that of the (philosophical) event
> to get at least some comparability makes a lot of sense, but
> does'nt it work like an event horizon, making essential parts
> dissapear?
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> I would tend to see a lot of what has been discussed in a rather
> sociological and political way, agreements in the society who gets
> granted which status and attributes. As the artist and creativity
> for example, which is to nice to be true.
> So I welcome Nancy Adlers text which is quite down to earth, and
> would look even more into a political and moral understanding of
> it. The Aesthetic categories which triggered the whole discussion
> are helpful in establishing an strategic anti determinism-hub, but
> I regard them as not helpful to go into the future with them. Ugly,
> Good, sublime, beautiful, the comic, the gracious, the sacred etc.
> - Mister Kants (and others) system is has been updated for instance
> nicely by Hannah Arendt, in her Lectures on Kant's Political
> Philosophy, she suggests the possibility that the sensus communis -
> which is embedded in the categories - might be the basis of a
> political theory that is markedly different from the one that Kant
> lays out in the Metaphysic of Morals.
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> Mary Jo, (and Stefan --) I really like the idea of the mediated
> guidance, including systems with various degreess of freedom into
> the leadership. I have to get the book you are quoting.
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> Anyone in Delhi, India the next 3 months? I am bound to fly there
> in 5 days to be an alien there....come and rescue me...and lets
> have some sublime spirits.
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> (((-:
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