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On 29/01/07, Jennifer Compton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> however - he has also been very gentle with me and witty and amusing on a
> few crazy nights in melbourne - the night the nz poet went for his throat
> -
> the night i got chucked out of Kevin Pearson's place for smacking some
> woman
> in her third eye - as i sat in the gutter he smiled and waved from the
> other
> side of the street - so you know i am a bit torn - which is why i just
> emailed him and kind of said - what the fuck?
> one must concude i suppose that although he is a human being and capable
> of
> human inter-reaction - he is also just a very bad poet
>
> and that is the saddest thing - to be really bad - realllllllllly bad
>
> ----Original Message Follows----
> From: Douglas Barbour <[log in to unmask]>
> Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and
> poetics <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: lomg boring email from, very bad poet
> Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 09:19:39 -0700
>
> I agree with Mark, too, Jen.
>
> But, of course, the first thing would be to just take any line &
> demonstrate how bad it is as prose, let alone as 'free verse'.
>
> I guess banality isn't a criterion?
>
> I could only skim the essay, & at that, try not to throw up, but it
> is just
> so full of holes, misstatements, etc. Alas, that people still think like
> this (& growing again? sheesh).
>
> Such bluster reminds of certain politicians when they know they're in the
> wrong....
>
> Doug
> On 28-Jan-07, at 10:41 AM, Elaine Brown wrote:
>
> >Oh. Surprised just because his longer e-mail was so absurd. I
> still get
> >surprised by adults making an ass of themselves in that kind
> of way--does
> >he
> >really feel justified in saying shit like that to you? Apparently
> so, but
> >jeez. I think you are right, and Mark's advice seems appropriate--best
> >not
> >to engage.
> >
> >
> >On 1/28/07 12:02 PM, "Jennifer Compton" <[log in to unmask]>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>why were u surprised?
> >>he is such an idiot - alas - and wants me to debate him into some kind
> of
> >>safety
> >>no safety - weeping in the gutter of Melbourne -
> >>
> >>
> >>----Original Message Follows----
> >>From: Elaine Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> >>Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry
> >>and
> >> poetics <[log in to unmask]>
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: lomg boring email from, very bad poet
> >>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:41:22 -0500
> >>
> >>Wow! That's quite a response e-mail from him. I have to admit I'm
> >>surprised; but he was obviously offended and many take such a tack to
> >>deal
> >>with getting their feelings hurt.
> >>
> >>So, were you a "coward" or did you respond and debate? (Lordy.)
> >>
> >>Elaine
> >>
> >>
> >>On 1/28/07 6:38 AM, "Jennifer Compton" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>wrote:
> >>
> >>>normally i would just delete and go out and dance
> >>>but for yoir amusement\\Dear Jennifer,
> >>>
> >>>I"f you feel so strongly, that the poem is bad - then why don't you
> >>outline
> >>>your concerns in a letter to the editor of The Australian. I would be
> >>very
> >>>interested to read it.
> >>>
> >>>Of course, if your objections could amount to an essay, then send
> it to
> >>Les
> >>>Murray at Q - this would then allow me the opportunity to reply.
> >>>
> >>>However, if you are not prepared to say why you think it is a
> bad poem,
> >>then
> >>>you may be better off saying nothing.
> >>>
> >>>I suspect you are more aware of the price of gin in Rome than you are
> of
> >>any
> >>>poetry that is not trying to be another bunch of flowers.
> >>>
> >>>You probably cannot escape your own PC mucus and remain stuck in
> an ego
> >>>constructed, self obsession and vanity - which, in the end, has
> >>everything
> >>>to do with your ideology, not my poetry.
> >>>
> >>>You don't know me well enough to write to me as you have. I have shown
> >>your
> >>>emails to several poets, who all disagree with your
> monosyllabic rather
> >>>silly comments.
> >>>
> >>>I will note your rude impetuous emails for future reference.
> >>>
> >>>If you are not a coward, then you may actually take up my challenge to
> >>>debate the poem.
> >>>
> >>>...but I bet your a coward.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>P. "
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Compton"
> >>><[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:53 PM
> >>>Subject: Re: Did you write this poem?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> It hasn't upset me - it is just so bad! I really couldn't believe
> >>>it
> >>was
> >>>you that wrote it.
> >>>Any poet can write a bad poem - but it makes one wonder about
> the intent
> >>of
> >>>the person who publishes the poem.
> >>>Can you tell me who commissioned you?
> >>>
> >>>regards - jen
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----Original Message Follows----
> >>>From: "patrick mccauley" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: "Jennifer Compton" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Subject: Re: Did you write this poem?
> >>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:05:46 +1100
> >>>
> >>>Dear Jennifer,
> >>>
> >>>Yes, I wrote this poem. It is the second of a suite I am
> writing around
> >>the
> >>>subject.
> >>>I am sorry you found it 'incredibly' bad. If you had just found
> it 'bad'
> >>I
> >>>would have been more concerned.
> >>>I am including a copy of 'How to be Australian (1)' which
> was published
> >>in
> >>>the Australian on Australia Day 2006. The next in the suite will be
> >>>published on Australia Day 2008. I am also attaching an essay which
> >>>picks
> >>up
> >>>on some of the concerns of the poem, so you will be able to be fully
> >>>informed on the thinking which has clearly upset you.
> >>>
> >>>cheers,
> >>>
> >>>Patrick.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Compton"
> >>><[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:05 AM
> >>>Subject: Did you write this poem?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21119511-601,00.html
> >>>
> >>>it is being discussed on poetry etc?
> >>>
> >>>it is an incredibly bad poem - i so hope it wasn't you
> >>>
> >>>cheers from jen
> >>>
> >>>----Original Message Follows----
> >>>From: "patrick mccauley" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: "Jennifer Compton" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Subject: Re: seeking Vivian Hopkirk
> >>>Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:05:18 +1100
> >>>
> >>>Dear Jen,
> >>>
> >>>Yes he stayed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>----Original Message Follows----
> >>>From: Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry
> >>and
> >>> poetics <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>Subject: Re: How to be Orstrilian
> >>>Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:13:16 +1100
> >>>
> >>>Thanks Jen - a sort of masochistic curiosity prompts me to ask you to
> >>>post the essay, though I think I know the thesis already -
> >>>
> >>>Cheers
> >>>
> >>>A
> >>>
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