Presumably the suggested "work" signature is rather more easily copied -
than the more complicated one.
I sign myself on cheques etc N O Landau but I sign myself Nick Landau in the
office - the former seems rather formal.
Nick Landau
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scourfield, Brenda" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: [data-protection] Signatures (minor correction)
>I am not a legal person, but surely signing a letter is a way of saying I
> endorse the contents of this letter/document. I have just made an
> insurance
> claim for my horse and the insurers insisted (as I expected , though one
> document had been an email I printed off, and I didn't think about that
> one)
> that it all be signed by my vet, including the email. If a signature means
> nothing why does anyone do it ? If every document I had passed to the
> insurers had a different signature though by the same man I'm sure they
> would have queried it.
>
>
>
> Brenda Scourfield
> Team Leader
> I.T. Division
> Pembrokeshire County Council
> County Hall
> Haverfordwest
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>
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>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
>> [SMTP:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Tim Turner
>> Sent: 16 January 2007 13:03
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Signatures (minor correction)
>>
>> My advice would be to suggest to staff who are concerned about this to
>> have
>> a "work" signature. When I sign letters, I do so very clearly, writing my
>> name. It's in my handwriting, I never get anyone else to sign my letters
>> so
>> it is distinctive to me, it is my signature. However, it isn't the scrawl
>> which I use to sign my name in other contexts like credit cards. There
>> are
>> two main advantages to this. One, whatever the risk of misuse might be
>> (and
>> in these days of chip and pin, the risk may have diminished), my
>> signature
>> on a Wigan Council letter isn't much use to a fraudster. The second
>> advantage is that when the recipient gets the letter, they can see my
>> name
>> very clearly at the bottom and will instinctively reply to me. Unsigned
>> letters are impersonal, so I wouldn't advocate that, so people who are
>> concerned about these issues could consider this.
>>
>> To answer Brenda's original question, I think a signature is personal
>> data.
>> If a staff member routinely signs letters that are sent out to the
>> public,
>> I
>> don't think the signature should be removed because it is already put
>> into
>> the public domain. On the other hand, if the person does not routinely
>> sign
>> letters, there is a good argument that their signature can legitimately
>> be
>> removed.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Tim Turner
>> Data Protection / FOI Officer
>> Legal and Property Services
>> Wigan Council
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: This list is for those interested in Data Protection issues
>> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Nick Landau
>> Sent: Tue 16 January 2007 11:33
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Signatures (minor correction)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Nick Landau" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:30 AM
>> Subject: Re: [data-protection] Signatures
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Brenda Scourfield" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 11:17 AM
>> > Subject: [data-protection] Signatures
>> >
>> >
>> > Are signatures personal data ? If we provide copies of letters under
>> > FOI
>> > or DP, should the signature of the officer or person be blanked out ?
>> >
>> > One of our officers is concerned that his signature could be copied and
>> > used fraudulently.
>> >
>> > Nick's reply:
>> >
>> > One question would be is the signature already in the public domain -
>> > in
>>
>> > which case, his concern is understandable but an FoI question would not
>> > elicit any more information than is otherwise available. (for instance
>> do
>> > documents with his signature go to Planning Committee etc?)
>> >
>> > If you really wanted a copy of a council officer's signature then you
>> > write to them and presumably the response will have their signature.
>> >
>> > One could presumably argue that if a particular officer had a problem
>> with
>>
>> > this then it doesn't seem to me blanking out their signature would
>> remove
>> > any information - after all it would have their name in print.
>> >
>> > I would have thought that this was the nature of being a public officer
>> ie
>>
>> > documents with your imprint on get published - if you don't want that
>> you
>> > should be working in the public sector.
>>
>> Of course, the last phrase should read:
>>
>> "if you don't want that you should _not_ be working in the public sector"
>>
>> >
>> > But equally any postman might say that they don't want to give their
>> > signature for the same reason.
>> >
>> > Nick Landau
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