Thanks, Kaspar. Andrew, in the end, finding this whole thing was
bothering me deeply, I posted a fairly extended response on
Sarsaparilla, including some of the disucssion here -
http://sarsaparillablog.net/?p=483 - no way am I entering the enemy's
territory on this one.
All the best
Alison
On 1/29/07, kasper salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> this guy seems an absolute crock of shit, pardon me for saying so. I read
> the first paragraph of his article & felt embarrassed for him. his attempt
> to appear insightful & knowledgeable despite an obvious lack of both insight
> & knowledge is enough to make any even slightly well informed reader cringe,
> or worse, laugh. not to mention the fact that his english seems to be at the
> level of a junior-highschooler. plus I actually smiled broadly at the phrase
> "a Dylan Thomas-type monotone rendition"; Thomas has always been renowned
> for his violently passionate readings.
>
> your retort to his waffling is great Alison. thanks for the opportunity to
> huff & puff to myself. :)
>
> KS
>
> On 29/01/07, Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > It might be of some interest (perhaps not) to add that I've had run
> > ins with McCauley before, in his crusade to put all woman poets back
> > in their boxes (I expect he thinks the nag's bridle is a good idea).
> >
> > This 2002 article on performance poetry in Quadrant
> > http://www.quadrant.org.au/php/article_view.php?article_id=357
> > attacked me, Emma Lew and all women for the "feminisation" of
> > Australian literature and the emasculation of unfortunate dumbed down
> > males. A few foggy notions about modernism were taken for a lame trot
> > too. My response, and others, at
> > http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/summary_0199-839853_ITM
> >
> > Best
> >
> > A
> >
> >
> > On 1/29/07, Roger Day <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > Agreeing with Elaine & Mark. Engage him if you want, but on your own
> > terms.
> > >
> > > BTB, I had a trawl through his stuff on the web, and it left me
> > > feeling slightly, well, nauseous. Isn't it enough that capitalism
> > > triumphed? Must every last vestige of socialism be purged? It appears
> > > so. I'm reminded of "The Handmaid's Tale".
> > >
> > > And that reply just ... stank on so many levels.
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > > On 1/28/07, Elaine Brown <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> > > > Oh. Surprised just because his longer e-mail was so absurd. I still
> > get
> > > > surprised by adults making an ass of themselves in that kind of
> > way--does he
> > > > really feel justified in saying shit like that to you? Apparently so,
> > but
> > > > jeez. I think you are right, and Mark's advice seems
> > appropriate--best not
> > > > to engage.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 1/28/07 12:02 PM, "Jennifer Compton" <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > why were u surprised?
> > > > > he is such an idiot - alas - and wants me to debate him into some
> > kind of
> > > > > safety
> > > > > no safety - weeping in the gutter of Melbourne -
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > > From: Elaine Brown <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to
> > poetry and
> > > > > poetics <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > > Subject: Re: lomg boring email from, very bad poet
> > > > > Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 10:41:22 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > > Wow! That's quite a response e-mail from him. I have to admit I'm
> > > > > surprised; but he was obviously offended and many take such a tack
> > to deal
> > > > > with getting their feelings hurt.
> > > > >
> > > > > So, were you a "coward" or did you respond and debate? (Lordy.)
> > > > >
> > > > > Elaine
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 1/28/07 6:38 AM, "Jennifer Compton" <
> > [log in to unmask]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> normally i would just delete and go out and dance
> > > > >> but for yoir amusement\\Dear Jennifer,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I"f you feel so strongly, that the poem is bad - then why don't you
> > > > > outline
> > > > >> your concerns in a letter to the editor of The Australian. I would
> > be
> > > > > very
> > > > >> interested to read it.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Of course, if your objections could amount to an essay, then send
> > it to
> > > > > Les
> > > > >> Murray at Q - this would then allow me the opportunity to reply.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> However, if you are not prepared to say why you think it is a bad
> > poem,
> > > > > then
> > > > >> you may be better off saying nothing.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I suspect you are more aware of the price of gin in Rome than you
> > are of
> > > > > any
> > > > >> poetry that is not trying to be another bunch of flowers.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You probably cannot escape your own PC mucus and remain stuck in an
> > ego
> > > > >> constructed, self obsession and vanity - which, in the end, has
> > > > > everything
> > > > >> to do with your ideology, not my poetry.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> You don't know me well enough to write to me as you have. I have
> > shown
> > > > > your
> > > > >> emails to several poets, who all disagree with your monosyllabic
> > rather
> > > > >> silly comments.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I will note your rude impetuous emails for future reference.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> If you are not a coward, then you may actually take up my challenge
> > to
> > > > >> debate the poem.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ...but I bet your a coward.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> P. "
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Compton"
> > > > >> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 1:53 PM
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Did you write this poem?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It hasn't upset me - it is just so bad! I really couldn't
> > believe it
> > > > > was
> > > > >> you that wrote it.
> > > > >> Any poet can write a bad poem - but it makes one wonder about the
> > intent
> > > > > of
> > > > >> the person who publishes the poem.
> > > > >> Can you tell me who commissioned you?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> regards - jen
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >> From: "patrick mccauley" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> To: "Jennifer Compton" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> Subject: Re: Did you write this poem?
> > > > >> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 05:05:46 +1100
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dear Jennifer,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yes, I wrote this poem. It is the second of a suite I am writing
> > around
> > > > > the
> > > > >> subject.
> > > > >> I am sorry you found it 'incredibly' bad. If you had just found it
> > 'bad'
> > > > > I
> > > > >> would have been more concerned.
> > > > >> I am including a copy of 'How to be Australian (1)' which was
> > published
> > > > > in
> > > > >> the Australian on Australia Day 2006. The next in the suite will be
> > > > >> published on Australia Day 2008. I am also attaching an essay which
> > picks
> > > > > up
> > > > >> on some of the concerns of the poem, so you will be able to be
> > fully
> > > > >> informed on the thinking which has clearly upset you.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> cheers,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Patrick.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Compton"
> > > > >> <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 4:05 AM
> > > > >> Subject: Did you write this poem?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > http://theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21119511-601,00.html
> > > > >>
> > > > >> it is being discussed on poetry etc?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> it is an incredibly bad poem - i so hope it wasn't you
> > > > >>
> > > > >> cheers from jen
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >> From: "patrick mccauley" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> To: "Jennifer Compton" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> Subject: Re: seeking Vivian Hopkirk
> > > > >> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 15:05:18 +1100
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Dear Jen,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Yes he stayed
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ----Original Message Follows----
> > > > >> From: Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> Reply-To: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to
> > poetry
> > > > > and
> > > > >> poetics <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > >> To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > >> Subject: Re: How to be Orstrilian
> > > > >> Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2007 18:13:16 +1100
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks Jen - a sort of masochistic curiosity prompts me to ask you
> > to
> > > > >> post the essay, though I think I know the thesis already -
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Cheers
> > > > >>
> > > > >> A
> > > > >>
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