Dear Colleagues,
This is exactly the dialogue that we must continue to entertain again and
again and again, if the study of esotericism is to continue in Academia.
Perhaps Mina is expressing her thesis in a way that could be described as
personal or emotional, rather than in the Academically-accepted rhetoric
known as "dispassionate".
But the crux of the dialogue is whether or not trained Academics/scholars
are allowed to exercise their intuition and personal experience in
formulating novel theses. Scholars in the Sciences are obviously allowed
this extravagance, since there would be no new discoveries made from old
Academic queries if those individuals capable of incisive intuition did not
exercise it personally.
Why then should Academics/scholars of the Humanities (including Literature
and Religion) not be allowed to exercise their intuition and personal
experience to elucidate old Academic materials and queries? Who is given the
authority to have been the first to make a novel thesis on a subject, and by
whom is the authority given? Is the integrity of an individual experiencer
recognized and lauded in the Humanities? Can that individual person who is a
trained Academic scholar claim the right to intuit their own discoveries?
Didn't Pagels claim the right to personal intuition in discovering her
theses, and can't we also?
I hope so, otherwise our project is destined to be beaten down by those who
would prefer to have the final word themselves. If Historians and other
scholars in the Humanities are confined explicitly to correlating
information that has already been sanctioned by these magically-empowered
past scholars, then History is dead, signed, sealed, delivered; our lives
can't embrace it or sing it into a poem, we can only view it from outside of
our selves.
My Master's thesis from California State University San Marcos is on De
Magia naturali by Jacques Lefèvre d'Étaples. The highest rung of his
Academic epistemology and methodology is intellect, which he equates with
intuition and faith. I am a poet; to me this treatise is poetry that lives
and breathes magic through word imagery, symbolism. We can't allow History
to remain static only because it is already written to the personal taste of
some, by those whom they've magically sanctioned to tell the story.
We must resign ourselves to continue this dialogue between intuition and
fact, and to have compassion for one another in our efforts at
self-expression through Academic theses.
Kathryn LaFevers Evans
MA CSUSM
Independent Scholar
----- Original Message -----
From: Charlotte Rodgers <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ACADEMIC-STUDY-MAGIC] More OTO ritual
Did Elaine Pagel make direct reference to the
work/spirituality of Yeats?
In which of her works?
I havent read any of her work for ages, and would be
interested.
Many Thanks
Charlotte
--- mina <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Diane,
>
> Thank you for your words.
> Of course, there are many reference books and
> occult books for supporting my theory directly and
> indirectly, although it is so difficult for me to
> show my personal experinces. When I investigated and
> collected my resources for studying, Harold Bloom's
> opinion helped to my theory about Yeats's Christian
> Gnosticism.
> Of course, there are so many reference books but
> the main sources are Yeats's poetry, his
> autobiographies, short stories, his mystic book, A
> Vision and so on. Especially, George Mills Harper's
> Yeats's Occultism, Kathleen Raine's Yeats the
> Initate, Nag Hammadi Library, Elain Pagels, Oriental
> Philosophy, Rosicrucianism, Cabbalah, and so on. If
> there is the Divine feminine, the book will support
> Yeats's theory and magic for the Immortal Rose.
> Right now I can write the all names of the writers,
> but Rosicrucian adepts's writings also support
> Yeats's theory and prophecy. Therefore, Yeats's
> prophetic poetry is based on Cabbalism,
> Rosicrucianism, Christian Gnosticism, and Oriental
> philosophies.
>
> However, the explanation of Yeats's poetry for the
> Divine feminine, Immortal Rose in detail may be
> written by my intuition and analysis so it is my
> unique theory.
>
> There are still many mystic things about Yeats's
> magic and poetry, I think. Especially, Yeats's
> Spirit photo was declared as a fake one. However,
> who could dare say that? How about Yeats's
> personaly experience about his unknown instructors
> and many miracle experience including his dream? His
> poetry was built by symbols so it's a supreme
> mysticism. Although I have many excellent reference
> books such as Harold Bloom, George M. Harper,
> Kathleen Raine, Elain Pagels and so one, the most
> important key is my intuition and personal
> experince.
> He is such a great priest to wake up Immortal
> Rose, and he left his messages for his descendants
> in the future.
>
> Mina
>
> diane yoder <[log in to unmask]> ¾²±â:
> Mina,
>
> "Academic study" means that you have found other
> scholarly sources (i.e. books, journal articles that
> are peer-reviewed by others in the academic
> community, other evidence) that support your
> beliefs. Has anyone in the academic community
> published on your theory?
>
> Diane Yoder
> Antioch University-McGregor
> Yellow Springs, OH
>
> On 11/26/06, mina <[log in to unmask] > wrote:
> How can academic study about magic?
> Yes, as a scholar, I have studied his poetry for
> over 15years and finally I made my theory.
> Therefore, I declared he is the great priest for
> Sophia, Immortal Rose. I hope all sages and
> magicians will come back to the greatest white
> magician as Yeats prophesied. How can we understand
> and show the evidence of the magic?
> The supreme and secret magic will be solved,
> although it is looks like impossible to do. How we
> can know it? Those are our behaviour and theses
> like this forum of Academic-study -magic?
> As a Yeatsian, I can see the processing of Yeats's
> prophecy and I have promoted it.
>
> He already gave the Immortal Rose in the world
> prophetic words:
>
> Dear shadows, now you know it all,
> All the folly of a fight
> With a common wrong or right.
> The innocent and the beautiful.
> Have no enemy but time;
> Arise and bid me strike a match
> And strike another till time catch;
> Should the conflagration climb,
> Run till all the sages know.
> We the great gazebo built,
> They convicted us of guilt;
> Bid me strike a match and blow
>
>
> Let's analyze this poem. Yes, it is prophetic
> poem. It is the messenger of Sophia's prophecy,
> mystic poem. It is King Athur's Magic Sword.
> Yeats was defeated and he has waited for the right
> time, and he wrote the importatant messeage for
> Immortal Rose to do in the future " Arise and bid me
> strike a match / Should the conflagration climb, /
> Run till all the sages know."
>
> Yeats is waiting for the Immortal Rose will be
> awakened and arise by his calling with his love
> poems and bid him to old ancient wisdom will come
> and spread.
> Who is the real priest for Immortal Rose, Divine
> feminine?
> It is time for New Age. Yeats shows his prophecy,
> The Second Coming and recovery of the Divine
> Feminine in his whole poetry and many stories.
> His words and authority are all from God, his
> unknown instructors. His role was the masculine
> principle, Christ and he left his poetry for the
> feminine principle to awaken. Yes, the masculine
> principle, Christ protects the feminine principle,
> Sophia. How can we show the evidence of his unknown
> instructors and the presence of the hidden Goddess,
> Holy Grail in the world? Only God allows it to the
> chosen man.
> I have the evidence of Yeats as the greatest
> gnostic priest and chosen man from his whole poetry
> and his anotehr works such as essays and short story
> books. I opened his prophecy in academic area as a
> my Ph.D . thesis and my many other theses. He has
> the greatest vision for future generation, our
> generation, so I have tried to show it. We can make
> the evidence of God's will, Yeats's prophecy by
> analyzing his whole poetry and declaring and showing
> all miracle things in academic study areas.
> Although my theory is looks like my personal
> opinion, at least I can help Yeats's prophetic
> poetry and God's will as Yeats prophesied. And I
> can do "Run till all the sages know." It is miracle
> and magic so I at least analyze Yeats's mystic
> poetry and now it seemed to my own belief but it is
> from God's will analyzed Yeats's whole messages to
> his descendants.
>
> Mina
>
> diane yoder <[log in to unmask] > ¾²±â:
> Such statements as "Yeats was chosen by God" hold
> more to a glib personal belief than something that
> can be discussed in an academic manner.
>
> Although I do agree Yeats' occult beliefs are
> understudied in English literature. Those of us in
> the discipline of Religion and Literature are keen
> on studying his religious/occult beliefs.
>
> Diane Yoder
> MA candidate
> Antioch University-McGregor
> Yellow Springs, Ohio
>
> On 11/26/06, mina < [log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Dear Mogg and list,
>
> Mogg:
>
> I like the comments about Yeats - I agree he is a
> much misunderstood
> magical genius - on the otherhand comments such as
> 'crowley was a black
> magician' is a bit too glib - you need to say more -
> especially on such
> a list.
>
>
> I understand your words, mogg. I don't know
> Crowley's magic, because I don't need to study it.
> However, I know Yeats is a great white magician and
> he was chosen man by God to sacred duty for the
> feminine prinicple, Daughter Sophia who is staying
> with mankind. Yeats's poetic purpose is to awaken
> Sophia. You may can know when you only read his Rose
> poetry. The last 2000 years was dark age and
> masculine age so the feminine principle was hidden.
> I think all magicians and hermits's final purposes
> are to acheive "Unity of Being" as Yeats emphasized:
> unite the masculine and the feminine principles.
> Although Yeats is looks like defeated man, he and
> all heavens are witing for the right time, because
> God only decided time to Judge and clean up the
> world. Yeats is waiting for his descendants, the
> upstanding young men. Nowadays, I find Yeats has
> not been to acknowledged as the great magician and
> the priest for Sophia as the last prophet for
> Immortal Rose. It is all God's will so
> Yeats also is waiting for the right time.
> All magicians and sages should know Yeats's
> messages in his magic poems. And I think it will be
> happened because "there is no enemy but tiem."
> I have read some books of Rosicrucianism,
> Cabalism, I do not study OTO ritual. However, I at
> least think it is time for us to know Yeats's magic
> power and open his great message for coming New
> World,
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