Dear All,
I agree with Marc, and would just like to add a
further note of caution to those of a "closed"
mindset:
It is well worth considering that not everyone with a
".gov.uk" or ".ac.uk" e-mail address is actually a
direct employee of the institution to which their
e-mail address would imply. In this day and age, there
are many long-term consultants, contractors,
outsourced service suppliers and temporary staff based
in these organisations that, for practical or
operational reasons also have access to a 'local'
e-mail account.
As such, any membership criteria based upon the e-mail
suffix alone is not sufficient to ensure limited
access or confidentiality within the list.
Best Wishes,
Paul
Dr Paul Duller (at Tribal and proud of it too!!)
--- "Fresko, Marc" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Yes but...
>
> Limiting the list to addresses ".gov.uk" will not
> have the desired
> effect. That is,
> - it will include most of local government but not
> all (e.g. it will
> exclude some arms-length organisations);
> - it will include only some central government
> functions (e.g. it will
> exclude anyone with addresses at .mod.uk, .nhs.uk);
> - it will exclude some parts of the public sector
> (arbitrarily because
> they have, for historic reasons, their own domains),
> e.g. police.uk,
> BL.uk, parliament.uk and others).
>
> You can, admittedly, address most of the above
> issues if you are
> careful, but some would require a more sophisticated
> membership model.
>
> Marc Fresko (at cornwell.co.uk and proud of it)
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: The UK Records Management mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Gerry Dane
> Sent: 04 October 2006 10:26
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Records Management' online forum on
> esd-forum for .gov.uk
>
>
> In my view Matt is on the mark in respect of this
> exchange.
>
> It raises the whole question of 'information rights'
> and the specific
> 'right' of the originator of a message to know and
> to determine the
> audience to which he wishes to speak/address. I find
> nothing at all
> unusual in anyone wishing to speak to one audience
> and not to another,
> nor do I think the reasons for that need to be gone
> into in any great
> detail provided we accept the basic 'right' and the
> accompanying
> 'choice' attendant upon it.
>
> In respect of information needs, one size does not
> fit all.
>
> Gerry.
> Newcastle University
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: The UK Records Management mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Tinsley,
> Chris
> Sent: 04 October 2006 09:39
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Records Management' online forum on
> esd-forum for
> .gov.uk
>
>
>
> So effectively a closed list is useful when similar
> types of
> institutions wish to collude in denying people
> information.
>
>
>
> I realise this is probably not the intention but it
> certainly
> can be inferred.
>
>
>
> I always read with interest discussions which do
> not or will not
> touch on my sector, it keeps the brain keen. I
> think the closed list
> would be a bad idea.
>
>
>
> Chris Tinsley MSc
>
> Wiltshire County Council
>
>
>
> Information is the key
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: The UK Records Management mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Matthew
> Stephenson
> Sent: 04 October 2006 09:30
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Records Management' online forum on
> esd-forum for
> .gov.uk
>
>
>
> Dear Eldin,
>
>
>
> A very good example is when a journalist sends
> round a FoI
> request to a large number of institutions. One
> University will say "we
> got this request, who else has" and for the next
> couple of days you'll
> have dozens of institutions saying "yeah we've got
> it" or "no we haven't
> go it, what's it about". I can't imagine that this
> is of any interest
> to other sectors.
>
>
>
> The next stage of that is when different
> institutions then
> discuss how they will deal with the request and I
> for one would not be
> prepared to comment on an open list the different
> options that could be
> used and how I feel about each one when the
> resuester could be reading
> my emails. Having a closed list enables one to be
> much more honest and
> open about things like that.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Matt
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The UK Records Management mailing list
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Eldin
> Rammell, Rammell Consulting
> Sent: 03 October 2006 14:39
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Records Management' online forum on
> esd-forum for .gov.uk
>
> Matt,
>
>
>
> I don't know if this is possible, but could you
> provide
> a couple of examples of issues that you think are
> more appropriate for a
> closed list? The beauty of a medium like email is
> that if a topic comes
> up that is of no interest, I hit the delete key.
> Simple. The danger is
> that folk on a closed may THINK their topic is of no
> interest but I've
> been surprised at how much I've learned since
> joining this list about
> areas that I've not previously had experience of. I
> view participation
> on this list as an important part of my on-the-job
> education and would
> certainly miss the input from Government circles.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Eldin.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
>
> From: The UK Records Management mailing list
>
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