Perfectly clear. Did William Empson live in vain? "Poesy" a delight to all cutlivated fellows.
The "themes recurring in poetry" and the conclusion that since the same themes occur it all adresses "the human condition" and the only thing that occurs is that this said human condition is said originally misses what poesy and poetry is -- the difference it makes. It makes for this sort of pepless universe:
"There was something strange about the universe in the snow globe. I sipped my Martini and tried to think of just what it was. We all did while the Chevalier waited impatiently. It was much as you would expect. It seemed mostly empty but here and there one could detect tiny bits of phosphorescence which were of course unimaginably huge clusters of galaxies containing billions and billions (as poor Carl Sagan used to say) of intelligent entities. The glow is the thing I learned later. Red is bad. A brilliant blue is best. This universe overall gave the impression of a rather pale red. Ten being the highest -- it was, perhaps, a three.
Samson said it first.
'That universe lacks…pep."
"Exactly, " D'Arc cried. "And do you know what universe this is?"
I glanced around the room. We all knew what was coming. I felt quite restless.
"It's yours!" he cried."
One wants pep. A pepfull poesy. That's all.
Kasper Salonen <[log in to unmask]> wrote: the word 'poesy' is an abomination. ;p
"in its presence there is nothing original and new?"
what do you mean?
KS
On 29/09/06, joe green wrote:
> Saying "it" originally makes it original. "It" no longer "it" but something else and new. Why else read great poesy? Lear does what -- reflect on the human condition, on madness, death, betrayal, jealousy, nothingness and in the end, in its presence there iss nothing original and new? Nah...
>
> Kasper Salonen wrote: P what I mean is that the themes that recur in poetry -- mainly the
> many ills & hangups & wonders of the 'human condition' -- have gone on
> recurring every since mankind first thought out of his or her box. as
> times change, the form that said ills/hangups/wonders take also
> inescapably change, but the issues themselves can almost be said to
> exist inherently. which is why it can be called the 'human condition'
> with a more or less straight face.
>
> K S
>
> On 28/09/06, Patrick Mc Manus
> wrote:
> > Hang on here what do you mean poetry says nothing original-why not ??
> > Einstein could have written in verse???did he E=mc2
> > Has a ring to it
> > P confused P
> > Ps my verse has been original on rare occasions ask Vile Boris
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and
> > poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kasper Salonen
> > Sent: 28 September 2006 14:29
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: quote unquote
> >
> > I agree with that. poetry says nothing original, it just says it
> > _originally_.
> >
> > KS
> >
> > On 28/09/06, andrew burke wrote:
> > > I throw this in just as a discussion point.
> > > It was a 'google' quote of the day today:
> > >
> > > In science one tries to tell people, in such a way as to be understood
> > > by everyone, something that no one ever knew before. But in poetry,
> > > it's the exact opposite.
> > > - Paul Dirac
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew
> > > http://hispirits.blogspot.com/
> > > http://www.bam.com.au/andrew
> > >
> >
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