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Re: The CRISIS is the the Collapse of Common Sense

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Sun, 27 Aug 2006 03:25:14 +0200

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Aubrey wrote:

> Pentcho, Walt - The crisis is immediate; it is not whether the speed 
> of light is constant or not, the crisis is our passivity in the face 
> of the collapse of common sense.


Aubrey, believe me I am WITH you. In fact it's really nice to finally 
find people who take this stuff seriously. I hear from my friends in 
the U.S. that the president of Exxon is still claiming climate change 
is a hoax ... and they still BELIEVE him. Why NOT? The guy is a PILLAR 
OF THE COMMUNITY. Duh.

So please don't go thinking that I am not taking this seriously... It 
was, after all, me who said "The answer to the question about how much 
fossil fuel can be burnt safely is: None, without increasing forests at 
the same time," (in "Peak Oil & Black Holes" -- and got no comment... 
are you sure you are serious?) and I'm not even a climate scientist. 
You don't have to be a scientist to know something is gravely wrong.

But meanwhile - while we are waiting to roast like peanuts in the sun - 
why not broaden our scope. Who knows, we may discover something. I 
think if you continue to look for SOLUTIONS, some things keep cropping 
up: Hierarchy does NOT work as advertised. It's destructive. Capitalism 
does NOT work. It's a mass killer. And the present money system is a 
total and utter sham that wouldn't fool an educated 10-year-old (if 
there was such a thing). Neoconservative is just another word for 
mafia. And those are the things that drive global warming. Why is there 
no discussion on this? I like your statement, "the crisis is our 
passivity in the face of the collapse of common sense." Why not talk 
about that? What is the cause of passivity and lack of common sense? 
Can it be that our media and our corporations don't find common sense 
profitable enough?


Aubrey wrote:
> The solution unavoidably has be generated faster than we generate the 
> problem. So the question is how do we set out the basis of measuring 
> that?

I believe that if you had a magic wand and could find such a solution, 
then another similar problem would appear (Nukes?) because climate 
change is not the root cause of our problems. I also don't believe in 
magic wands.

Actually, because I have searched far beyond the problem of climate, 
and found other problems equally urgent, I have come to view extinction 
as a solution, ... even a desirable solution ... and it's looking 
increasingly like our only option.

Chris wrote:
> . . . I believe any attempt to counter climate change requires a world 
> very different from this one.
 
Exactly - Now there's something to start a discussion with.



Walt

Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they 
have rebelled they cannot become conscious.
   -- George Orwell

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