I'm sorry Frances, but I don't think the provision of a social area should be
top of CILIP's agenda. Apart from anything else, it would be of no benefit at
all to people outside London! (Or were you joking?)
I do agree that CILIP should have a much higher profile and provide a better
level (if that's the right word?) or advocacy for the library and information
profession. The point someone (I think it was Zoe) made earlier about CILIP
currently not being the first port of call for media people wanting to talk
about libraries was very valid.
>===== Original Message From Frances Hendrix <[log in to unmask]>
=====
>Just thinking about Jens points, what do we (or me rather), want form a
>good membership organisation.
>
>I have always been a member of Cilip, although cant remember when I was
>asked to prove this before being offered a job (and I have worked in all
>sectors). Currently what do I value:-
>
>the daily news email
>
>Update
>
>in the past:-
>meetings
>training (but agree the cost for some and the distance may be problem).,
>why haven't they (Cilip), looked at e learning and distance learning?
>
>meeting people
>
>particpation in events
>
>What have I got from other organisations that I value:-
>
>Institute of Directors
>
>a great place to meet people and have coffee
>
>a first rate legal service
>
>top notch speakers at high profile interesting and current topics
>
>interesting contacts at meetings
>
>What else could Cilip offer:-
>
>great place to met an have coffee in central London, but not as it is
>now
>
>Legal and trade unison type advise for those of us who are employers,
>for those of us who are employees
>
>top rate speakers
>
>more contact with people in different sectors, s better networking on a
>much wider canvas
>
>much much higher profile and better advocacy
>
>more strength regionally and more support
>
>a better more streamlined and more effective Council
>
>email updates like I get from demos etc on policy issues
>
>an easier to use and more sophisticated web site
>
>less a feeling of introvertness, secrecy and irritation at its more
>troublesome members
>
>more opportunities for newer members or non members of the profession to
>get involved and be given opportunities to be 'on something's without
>having to make some sort of a name first.
>
>more light herded fun about some aspects
>
>that it had much more clout
>
>f
>
>
>________________________________
>
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jenny Delasalle
>Sent: 14 August 2006 15:56
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: what makes a professional?
>
>
>I would like to be a member of a clever, slick and smart professional
>organisation. I am not a member of CILIP any more. They are well
>intentioned (the "ethos" is fine) but timely delivery, efficient
>organisation and courteous contact have been lacking in my experience,
>in spite of those intentions.
>
>I qualified nearly 6 years ago, so I might still count as part of the
>new breed. I do not believe that someone who is not a member of CILIP is
>not a professional. I have met plenty of both members and non-members
>who I respect highly. Mere membership of a professional organisation
>does not make one a professional, and nor does chartership status,
>particularly when it was achieved many, many years ago. Demonstrated
>engagement with one's profession as a whole and indeed with other
>professionals, continuing professional development and awareness are all
>signs of a professional. CILIP can provide this for its members, and can
>be a marker of such professionalism as far as employers are concerned,
>but professionals can also seek this out for themselves and demonstrate
>it to employers and potential employers.
>
>Indeed non-members may have to go further to demonstrate a professional
>attitude and to seek out opportunities whilst members might rest on
>their laurels, confident that membership of CILIP is an indication of
>their professionalism, regardless of the fact that they never truly
>engage with the organisation - this list has been used many times to
>point out that members are not contributing enough to CILIP.
>
>The challenge for CILIP is to give the new professionals something that
>they want to (& can) contribute to.
>
>I've heard about and contributed to the discussion on CILIP's faults.
>I've asked about & read about what competition there is, and have
>decided that whilst they provide interesting examples for CILIP to
>follow on it's path to improvement, they are not any more likely to meet
>my own needs than CILIP.
>
>Someone give me (& other non-members on this list) the reasons to
>(re-)join CILIP. Let's balance out this list and hear about other
>people's positive experiences, and what CILIP gets right. We don't want
>to lose the good stuff whilst we're busy getting rid of all the things
>we don't like.
>
>I do miss the Gazette and Update. I think that Lis-jobnet is very
>useful, and I do look at the CILIP website from time to time. I think
>the training courses all sound very interesting, but am often put off by
>the price - there's almost always the cost of travel to London on top to
>consider.
>
>What else am I missing out on?
>
>Jen
>
>
>>> Diana Nutting <[log in to unmask]> 08/14/06 01:18pm >>>
>Why is it a problem to be clever, slick or smart? I see no advantage to
>our
>profession in being stupid, stodgy and dim. It is perfectly possible top
>be
>efficient, cost effective, economically viable and outreaching to your
>membership and stakeholders, and still have ethics and integrity. the
>more
>of these qualities we show, the more we will attract the new breed of
>informational professional. Or is that what scares some people?
>
>Diana Nutting
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: John Briggs [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 14 August 2006 12:54
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Cilip: business model & future
>
>
>Frances Hendrix wrote:
>>
>> People are looking for value added, they do want a slick, clever,
>> smart, professional organisation to be part of and proud of. To do
>> this needs people to run the place with all the skills required today
>> of good businesses. Having listened to Nike Marketing people recently
>> I was amazed, in many ways. They share some of the same professional
>> ethos and challenges, and actually some of their challenges are very
>> much the same as 'ours' and Cilips. But they have hugely professional
>> people in the relevant disciplines, like marketing etc, running the
>> outfit, and these people are totally committed to their organisation.
>> Yes I know they make huge profits, but the skills they have, the
>> buy-in to the company ethos etc are all to be admired and used as
>> examples. We must stop being snotty about the business and commercial
>> sector, and learn from the success some of them undoubtedly have.
>
>You know, I think most of your critics will agree that "slick, clever,
>smart" is the problem. It doesn't help your case to hold up Nike as a
>beacon - their propaganda is that they have changed, but from what?
>Their
>exploitation of slave-labour conditions in Third-World countries is well
>
>documented. Do we really have to "buy-in" to that sort of "company
>ethos"?
>
>John Briggs
>
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