I can see that. But I can also see that that picture of doomsday is part of
the ideological loop.
What about the other million pictures of human reciprosities and
understandings (even between the dog hunters, there must have been some
experience, (psychological sharing ?) between hunters. Suddenly some
disabilities disapeeared.
But, Is this also a case of 'Dog bite dog' is not news? Is caos the mental
frontears of 'population management'. As in the feudal world, far away in
the ocean there is the 'non plus ultra', where everything disapears.
\\\\\\\\\\lets do not der go that way, in otherwords?
The picture of caos is a selected picture. I am not saying , that (human
hunters) situation wouldn't exist, what I am referring is that other aspects
of human conducts and behaivours are less perceived, selectively, leaving us
with that taste that 'we should be so grateful for what we got'. Not
knowing that with that statement we are also validating the historical
system of differentiation between people as 'able people' are then seen as
'civilisation givers'. Civislisation as a '(Tarzan) model of society from
which the ideas of 'lets not dear to move' prevails because of 'caos'.
Andy
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Arnold" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: 'Civilisation' and Disabled People
> Trouble is most of us posting here are too far along the loop to go back
to
> the land, just look at what happened in New Orleans, if you live in the
> middle of the big city and the power fails, eventually the best food is
> going to be your neighbour, (that is when you have finished eating your
> neighbours dogs)
>
> I live on the edge of a City I might survive, but only if I am prepared
for
> the Hobbesian war of all against all as I fortify myself against the
> invaders driven out from the centre.
>
> Larry
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of A Velarde
> > Sent: 29 August 2006 09:51
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: 'Civilisation' and Disabled People
> >
> >
> > Isn't the idea of 'civilisation' a circular thinking. Was human mind
human
> > before 'civilisation'?
> >
> > Is our quest for 'electricity for all' a first (or last) steps for a
> > platonic conception of the journey of the human 'soul'. -Is 'perfection'
> > only attained in the 'perfect' world of 'civilisation'- 'the truth at
the
> > front of the cave'?
> >
> > There is a misconception (due to an ideological loop) here that need to
be
> > uncovered. Aren't some disabled people included rather than 'excluded'
in
> > places where there are not power cuts because there is not lectric
power
> > anyway?
> >
> > Wasn't disability an identity that 'enabled' society to direct huge
human
> > resources to the invention of the steam engine and the electric bulb?
> > Thefinetely not the way around.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Larry Arnold" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2006 10:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: Customer Satisfaction and Disabled People
> >
> >
> > > I suggest you read this blog it provides an interesting analogy
> > >
> > > http://thiswayoflife.org/blog/?p=40
> > >
> > > Who the F*** is Van Houten (never mind the famous "et al")
> > anyway lets cut
> > > some of this academic self referencing crap and talk about real
people.
> > >
> > > Who are these mythical people who do without support, the whole
> > fabric of
> > > society is tied up with invisible support networks, it just
> > happens to be
> > > that when you get into disabling discourse and medical model
> > mindsets you
> > > construct a notion of disabled people as "the other" for whom "normal"
> > rules
> > > do not apply.
> > >
> > > If there is a power cut in your city, can you cook your dinner,
> > heat your
> > > home, put gas in your car, make a purchase, get money out the bank.
> > >
> > > Who is supporting all that, those are the supports of
> > civilisation without
> > > which the "poor bare forked animal" is disabled indeed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Carol
Hamilton
> > > > Sent: 27 August 2006 22:23
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: Customer Satisfaction and Disabled People
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Hi there
> > > >
> > > > I'd also be interested in any research in this area.
> > > >
> > > > I'm trying to explore Van Houten et al's idea at the moment: - of
> > > > the (normative) 'ideal citizen who does not require support' as the
> > > > more favoured binary position in an abled/disabled series of binary
> > > > comparatives. Seems to me that this idea citizen image ensures that
> > > > the nature and form of support those on the abled side of the binary
> > > > comparative need to appear to make it on their own don't feature as
> > > > being outside the ordinary on the social landscape.
> > > >
> > > > What factors make requests for assistance normative, ie able to be
> > > > requested without embarrassment or shame? What degree of
conformation
> > > > to Van Houten's 'ideal citizen' image does an individual need to
> > > > display for assistance to become an expected, and given, aspect of
> > > > their life?
> > > >
> > > > cheers Carol
> > >
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