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John Wickstrom wrote:
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> Yes, that is what I thought at first. But leopards in 11th c.
> Italy/France? I don't know.
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The Arabs in Sicily & Spain would have had leopard skins, probably even
live leopards. I don't see a problem with leopard skins as luxury
goods. The feet of the skin incline more toward paws than hooves. The
ears are pretty good for a cat. You could look for other contemporary
ms images of leopards, bears, sheep, etc., & see if you have a more
likely candidate.
I suppose you could consider whether its person is riding sidesaddle &,
if so, if what looks like a body is the skin across the knees & the rear
hanging off the other side of the horse.
DW
> Also it looks to me more like a body than a skin. As I noted, no such
> thing is mentioned in the text and most of the illustrations stick
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> is not somehow connectable to the text. The figure with the animal
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> official (chancellor is the title) of the bishop of Le Mans and so
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> There are conventions for representing skins. This with regular
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> I don't think anyone would try to represent a sheep with a broad head.
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> A leopard would suggest wealth or interesting associations. It would not
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> do much for warmth, though any skin would be better than none. It
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> occurs to me that I have owned both sheepskins & a leopard skin in my
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>> Would you post the link again. I saw the skin differently.
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>>> Very interesting idea, thanks. I do think it might have to do with
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>>> that (Sheep)skin (not mentioned in the accompanying text, btw, and so
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>>> quite interesting...they are heading across the Alps for France. Cold
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>>> The animal slung over the horse's back looks to me like a sheep - dead.
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