Communication would seem to be the key - when the change in subscriptions (which
I note seems to have done nothing to halt the slide in membership as it was
hoped it would) was discussed (some furore was had then too); were there not
some calls for better communication of council business using either the
gazette or the update?
Ellie
Quoting Kate Millin <[log in to unmask]>:
> I am also a lurker and very ocasional poster on this list, but I want to say
> thank you for saying so much that needed to be said about CILIP and the
> recent discussions on this list.
>
> I am one of the active CILIP members and believe that our strength as our
> profession under threat is in the added value we give in working together. We
> need to support the difficult decisions if it means we can have an active and
> effective professional organization.
>
> My main concern is about how proposals and changes are communicated to
> members and non members leading to misunderstandings and long debates.
>
> Kate Millin, Acting Assistant Director (Libraries, Archives and Adult
> Learning) Tel: 01384 814745
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Mcsean, Tony (ELS)" <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: 13/07/06 10:52:20
> To: "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Observations on the Lis-Cilip decision
>
> I'm speaking from my vantage point as chair of Cilip council not in any
> way
> officially on behalf of Cilip (or anyone else).
>
>
> The facts:
> Cilip council debated this issue at length and in detail. Before the
> meeting I worked closely with Chris Armstrong to ensure that he would
> have
> the fullest possible opportunity to present his case - as I would with
> any
> member of Council who had a difficult and controversial issue to present
> (ie
> not just people like Chris whose work on Council I admire immensely).
> The
> arguments for both sides were presented fully and anyone who wished to
> speak
> on this issue was able to do so. At the end of the debate, council voted
> decisively though not overwhelmingly to close lis-cilip at the point at
> which the replacement Community of Practice was functioning at such a
> level
> of activity as to constitute a replacement.
>
>
> Democracy:
> There has been a lot of talk on the list about democracy, most of which
> has
> been in my opinion tosh. Cilip is not a pub quiz team, it's a
> multi-million
> pound charity founded on our royal charter. The vote in council is
> democracy, and democracy includes putting up and going along with
> properly-constituted decisions which we happen not to like. Shouting
> loudly
> on lists is satisfying, necessarym, helpful - all sorts of things but
> democrcy it ain't. I topped the poll at the last national councillor
> elections with barely 10% of the electorate voting for me, so it's
> certainly
> flawed democracy. At Chris A's instigation we now have a governance
> review
> under way; early straws in the wind indicate that it will go through
> Cilip's
> structures like a ninja in a bad kung fu film so this at least might be
> improved radically and quickly.
>
> Council having voted after full and proper debate, this is a done deal.
> I
> for one would be reluctant to see any matter return to council's agenda
> simply because some reople really, really didn't like the decision first
> time round.
>
>
> Criticism:
> I feel I should lay this to rest.It's been said that councillors who
> voted
> to close the list don't like criticism, so they close the list that
> criticises them. I think this is untrue and unfair. For one thing, I'd
> be
> surprised if a third of those who voted against lis-cilip were members.
> It
> never came up as an issue during the debate, either explicitly or in
> coded
> references to "pulling together in this time of crisis ect ect". I would
> personally prefer it if the debate didn't encompass name-calling, but hey
> I
> like a hearty exchange of views as much as the next mouthy little
> wicket-keeper.
>
>
> Priorities:
> Given the problems crowding in on Cilip and our profession generally this
> mus barely register on the radar, particularly when it can be solved by
> 20
> minutes' decisive action (see below). To give a modest selection:
>
> 1. Cilip is in the financial mire. We're not in the bankruptcy court
> yet
> but we are, metaphorically listening to the debt-dodging adverts on
> daytime
> television. We have a long period of austerity and uncomfortable
> decisions
> ahead of us (and thank goodness we have a treasurer with abilities to
> match
> his problems).
>
> 2. Cilip membership is in a decline which may be inexorable and is
> certainly proving hard to reverse.
>
> 3. A huge chunk of Cilip income comes from classified recruitment
> advertising, which to say the least has a cloudy future
>
> 4. Libraries of all types are facing anti-professional attitudes and
> serious questions about staffing levels in a networked world. STM and
> many
> other research libraries are teetering on the edge of a period of
> fundamental change, and I'm sure the same thing is true of types of
> libraries I'm less familiar with.
>
> 5. Many of our traditional professional skills have been and are being
> overtaken by IT based solutions - both end-user solutions which by-pass
> the
> professional altogether and efficiency gainers within library processes.
>
> In this environment, we don't want to be sitting around arguing which
> song
> we want the orchestra to play next as the rising water shorts out the
> chandeliers.
>
> Cilip name:
> Legal considerations aside, it would simply be daft and
> credibility-puncturing to set up a replacement list which used the Cilip
> name or any "clever" little variation on it. If it's worth doing it
> stands
> by itself and there's been enough divisiveness already. How about what
> we
> might call the Zindane argument - not degrading oneself for the joy of a
> momentary sneer?
> Phasing out
>
>
> Solution:
> One of those who feels strongly - get off yer bum, set up a list called
> lis-prof or whatever and post the joining instructions to lis-cilip.
> Then
> we can all migrate away and carry on as before. If you can't find
> someone
> for whom JISC will set up the list, there are hundreds and hundreds of
> commercial list providers (eg www.listserve.com
> <http://www.listserve.com>
> who will do it for not much money.
>
>
> Merton's Law
> Charles Oppenheim points out that according to Merton's Law one would
> expect
> there to be about 150 active members of CILIP. In fact, and excluding
> lis-cilip membership, the actual figure is between two and three thousand
> depending on how you define "active" - which is prety phenomenal and
> gives
> hope for the future.
>
>
> CONCLUSION
> Accept that the fait really is accompli, move on, sort out an
> alternative,
> let me know how to sign up when you have. And start discussion real
> issues
> not froth.
>
>
> My opinion on the Lis-Cilip Question:
> (Given last because it's not germane to the points I want to make but I
> don't want to set any more hares running - I have a day job.)
> I don't care much either way but after hearing the argument and seeing
> the
> commotion I think things should have been left alone because the benefits
> of
> fiddling not match the costs of the fall-out.
>
> After 16 years at one of the world's most successful member organisations
> my
> much-repeated opinion is (a) membership organisations are there to
> provide
> services to their members , and (b) people who are not prepared to join
> their professional association and participate in some small way cannot
> be
> considered fully professional and do a disservice to the profession on
> whose
> periphery they hover. This is strongly worded, but it's how I feel and
> when
> I ran a library it was part of recruitment and staff appraisal
> arrangements.
> I am also enough of a grumpy old man to KNOW in my bones that something
> called a "Community of Practice" is a load of b*ll*cks and no good to man
> nor beast.
>
> So, I think that something called lis-cilip should be member-only.
> However,
> there is clearly a need for somewhere for the wider LIS diaspora to go
> when
> they feel the need for a good rant and there probably is space for an
> open,
> unmoderated list for this purpose. I'd probably even sign up.
>
> But in the end, having seen the vociferous nature of the opposition, I
> think
> that pushing on with the lis-cilip closure has been a misjudgement. The
> actual numbers of Cilip members who care are obviously miniscule, but as
> I've said before the issue is only a sideshow. The real concerns, the
> real
> democracy and the real opportunity to (in the words of the wonderful
> Betty
> Carter song) DO SOMETHING - these lie elsewhere and on the whole require
> a
> bit of work.
>
>
>
> Tony
>
> Tony McSean
> Director of Library Relations
> Elsevier
> 84 Theobald's Road
> London WC1X 8RR
>
> +44 7795 960516
> +44 20 76114413
>
>
>
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