JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for LIS-ELIB Archives


LIS-ELIB Archives

LIS-ELIB Archives


LIS-ELIB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

LIS-ELIB Home

LIS-ELIB Home

LIS-ELIB  June 2006

LIS-ELIB June 2006

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

Harold Varmus: "Self-Archiving is Not Open Access"

From:

Stevan Harnad <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Stevan Harnad <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:34:28 +0100

Content-Type:

TEXT/PLAIN

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

TEXT/PLAIN (91 lines)

            ** Apologies for Cross-Posting **

If you wonder why there is internecine squabbling within the Open 
Access (OA) Community, you need go no further than Richard Poynder's
latest OA interview (a skillful, revealing elicitation, as always),
this time of Nobel Laureate and PLoS co-founder, Harold Varmus:
http://poynder.blogspot.com/2006/06/interview-with-harold-varmus.html

    RICHARD POYNDER: 
    "[T]here has been a long-standing and vigorous debate within the OA
    movement about the respective merits of the so-called Green and Gold
    roads. The debate seems to revolve around the issue of whether it
    is better for OA advocates to put all their energy into the creation
    of new open access journals, or to focus on lobbying research funders
    and governments to require researchers to self-archive the papers
    they have published in subscription journals. What are your views
    on that debate?"

    HAROLD VARMUS:
    "My views are very clear: at this point self-archiving is not Open
    Access. One of the important components of the definition of
    Open Access that we have all agreed on is that research information
    should be placed in a searchable database. Right now the only way
    to be confident that you can do that effectively is by using a large
    public digital library like PubMed Central."

I am spared having to respond (yet again) to this egregious nonsense by
Peter Suber's spare reply in Open Access News:

    PETER SUBER:
    "Varmus is wrong to say that self-archiving is not OA. OA is a kind
    of access, not a kind of venue, and 'OA repositories' deliver this
    kind of access as well as 'OA journals', and distributed repositories
    deliver it as well as central repositories. Repositories certainly
    count as 'searchable databases'."
http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2006_06_04_fosblogarchive.html#114960586121434685

To see what definition of Open Access "we have all agreed on," please see the BOAI
definition of OA, first coined by the BOAI (Peter Suber, principal drafter), 2001:
http://www.soros.org/openaccess/read.shtml

Nor is the (profound) disagreement about the definition of OA
merely semiological quibbling. The difference is strategic,
and it has profound practical implications for OA (sic), and
how soon we manage to reach it. Harold's continuing confusions
about (what was eventually dubbed) OA began early on (1999)
http://www.nih.gov/about/director/ebiomed/com0509.htm#harn45
but certainly not as early as OA itself began, which was in the 1980's,
with computer scientists self-archiving their papers in Anonymous FTP
Archives. The rest of the road to the optimal and inevitable outcome
is history still in the making (an outcome that some OA advocates are
hastening and facilitating; others, alas, rather less than they might
if they listened a little more attentively and reflected a bit more:
The Midas Touch can be the Kiss of Death sometimes...)

    Harnad, S. (2006) Opening Access by Overcoming Zeno's Paralysis. To
    appear in: Jacobs, N., (Ed) Open Access: Key Strategic, Technical
    and Economic Aspects. Chandos Publishing (Oxford) Limited, Chapter 8.
    http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/12094/

Stevan Harnad

AMERICAN SCIENTIST OPEN ACCESS FORUM:
A complete Hypermail archive of the ongoing discussion of providing
open access to the peer-reviewed research literature online (1998-2005)
is available at:
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/
        To join or leave the Forum or change your subscription address:
http://amsci-forum.amsci.org/archives/American-Scientist-Open-Access-Forum.html
        Post discussion to:
        [log in to unmask]

UNIVERSITIES: If you have adopted or plan to adopt an institutional
policy of providing Open Access to your own research article output,
please describe your policy at:
        http://www.eprints.org/signup/sign.php

UNIFIED DUAL OPEN-ACCESS-PROVISION POLICY:
    BOAI-1 ("green"): Publish your article in a suitable toll-access journal
            http://romeo.eprints.org/
OR
    BOAI-2 ("gold"): Publish your article in a open-access journal if/when 
            a suitable one exists.
            http://www.doaj.org/
AND  
    in BOTH cases self-archive a supplementary version of your article
            in your institutional repository.
            http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/
            http://archives.eprints.org/
            http://openaccess.eprints.org/

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

May 2024
April 2024
January 2024
December 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
February 2022
December 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
May 2021
September 2020
October 2019
March 2019
February 2019
August 2018
February 2018
December 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
June 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
November 2016
August 2016
July 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
September 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
December 2006
November 2006
October 2006
September 2006
August 2006
July 2006
June 2006
May 2006
April 2006
March 2006
February 2006
January 2006
December 2005
November 2005
October 2005
September 2005
August 2005
July 2005
June 2005
May 2005
April 2005
March 2005
February 2005
January 2005
December 2004
November 2004
October 2004
September 2004
August 2004
July 2004
June 2004
May 2004
April 2004
March 2004
February 2004
January 2004
December 2003
November 2003
October 2003
September 2003
August 2003
July 2003
June 2003
May 2003
April 2003
March 2003
February 2003
January 2003
December 2002
November 2002
October 2002
September 2002
August 2002
July 2002
June 2002
May 2002
April 2002
March 2002
February 2002
January 2002
December 2001
November 2001
October 2001
September 2001
August 2001
July 2001
June 2001
May 2001
April 2001
March 2001
February 2001
January 2001
December 2000
November 2000
October 2000
September 2000
August 2000
July 2000
June 2000
May 2000
April 2000
March 2000
February 2000
January 2000
December 1999
November 1999
October 1999
September 1999
August 1999
July 1999
June 1999
May 1999
April 1999
March 1999
February 1999
January 1999
December 1998
November 1998
October 1998
September 1998
August 1998
July 1998
June 1998
May 1998
April 1998
March 1998
February 1998
January 1998
December 1997
November 1997
October 1997
September 1997
August 1997
July 1997
June 1997
May 1997
April 1997
March 1997
February 1997
January 1997
December 1996
November 1996
October 1996
September 1996
August 1996
July 1996
June 1996
May 1996
April 1996
March 1996


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager