I see no change in the current situation other than its unlikely to be resolved soon.
My only concern is that some developers and the like misinterpret this latest news and suggest that it is no longer appropriate to use existing SGVs. They clearly still have a role and it would have been useful if the bulletin had indicated this. Perhaps its not too late for revised version of Bulletin No.3 to make such a statement?
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Stephen Guppy
Team Leader - Scientific Services
Pollution & Safety
Environmental Health & Consumer Protection
Southampton City Council
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Rob
Sent: 07 April 2006 13:17
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Subject: Re: CLEA update Bulletin No.3
Andrew/etal
the task force already had a meeting of about 45 interested parties- consultants landowners, and industry representatives. 7 local authorities were there. I got a belated invite because of some stats work we were doing with ESI. The task force were looking at>
1. Sampling- how much data do you need to collect/how do you ensure your data is satisfactory to make a decision that an action level is exceeded.
2. the CLEA model.
3. resources-
I went to 1 and two.
1. Sampling- The results from the sampling was that people needed a linked piece of guidance that could help make decisions about the uncertainty in their data and how to improve it. so some improved stats tests but more importantly something that pulls the user through a process of testing and improving the data set.
2. The CLEA model- the thing I found most interesting here was the idea that their ought to be consideration given to pulling the tox uncertainties through the model so that decisions on iffy tox data would be more transparent. Other people may have picked up other issues
So much to read.
So Little Time
Rob Ivens MVDC- 01306 879232
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Bent-Marshall
Sent: 07 April 2006 13:05
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Subject: Re: CLEA update Bulletin No.3
I agree this is frustrating.... But will we really notice much difference, at least in the short term? We weren't exactly being overwhelmed with new Tox and SGV reports anyway.
My main concern is that, whilst all parties accept that better guidance is required, there is never any indication of timescales. If previous experience is anything to go by the review process could take a number of years....and this all coincides with the BVPI's, which are aimed at improving progress on Part IIA!
On a positive note, does this present an opportunity for Contam Land Officers across the country to influence future guidance? I don't want to step on anyone's toes in the task force, but should we be consider some kind of national response to this, perhaps coordinated across the Cluster Groups? Maybe the task force has this in hand already (please advise)?
Any comments on this are welcome.
Andy Bent-Marshall
Principal Land Quality Officer - London Borough of Hounslow
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Jonathan Parr
Sent: 07 April 2006 11:32
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Tears hair out in frustration!
Let unnaceptable intake = LOAEL and then they can get on with it!
This is a ridiculous situation to be in; why should they stop publishing them because of a Part IIA problem, SGVs as they are are fine for Planning!
Jon
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Fountain
Sent: 07 April 2006 11:25
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leaves us waiting, waiting, waiting
not the best news.
Dave Fountain
Contaminated Land Officer
East Staffordshire Borough Council
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McMillan
Sent: 07 April 2006 11:23
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Subject: CLEA update Bulletin No.3
Any comments on this mornings news from the Agency?
http://www.environment-
agency.gov.uk/commondata/acrobat/bulletin_3_1343154.pdf
Where does this leave us now?
Regards
Jo
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