The 'empirical numinous' is probably the most interesting, compelling aspect
of the Protestant draw.
& yet Protestants are legion who go to Rome, embrace the Church's
iconography with infatuated abandon, and get all troubled trying to get
back home to 'the facts.'! I certainly have gotten enthralled.
I don't make much room for theological rhetoric, however.
Stephen V
Blog: http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
> I don't know, but I take the point. Do we go all the way back to
> Arnold? Or just follow the language(s) & hope that there(in) we will
> find whatever solace, meditative possibility, etc we can? I guess
> that's what I do.
>
> As to the destruction of language by such as W, well, there is a level
> beyond which parody & satire cannot go, & he & his types have long gone
> beyond that.
>
> I think we may have to go elsewhere than to that well, however much a
> demonstration of such language's defects might seem useful....
>
> Rather seek the numinous in poetry, though, or some aspect of the world
> as I encounter it, than any 'promise' elsewhere....
>
> Doug
> On 16-Mar-06, at 11:41 AM, Stephen Vincent wrote:
>
>> To what degree, however, is the vocation of poetry (calling) &
>> practice of
>> making poems a religious practice? One that I suggest is not
>> particularly
>> sweeping this world, which I guess these days provides us poets some
>> sense
>> of a particular kind of Virtue! (Is not Bush an Anti-Christ - as I
>> want to
>> understand the killer implciations of that term - and an Anti-Poet -
>> at the
>> same time. (I would, and I cannot imagine many, drawn to repeat his
>> speech
>> (language)), or personally be shaped by it).
>>
>> I suggest there is something (in the faith of writing and reading
>> poems)
>> that is comparable to prayer. A place where the invisible becomes
>> articulate
>> as language. A mystery by definition. As curious as a featherless
>> dinosaur.
>> As science now points out that dinosaurs did not disappear, but that
>> they
>> are the birds now flying about and still very much living amongst us.
>>
>> I better "trip" back into my work - my secular obligations du jour!
>>
>> Stephen V
>> Blog: http://stephenvincent.net/blog/
>> Where the "Tenderly, Gertrude Improvs" continue
>>
>>
>>> I'm not even a Marxist, unreconstructed or not, but I have to agree
>>> with this.
>>>
>>> Alas.
>>>
>>> Of course, it goes with televangelism, of all faiths..., that form of
>>> spiritual consumerism...
>>>
>>> Doug
>>> On 15-Mar-06, at 8:01 PM, Frederick Pollack wrote:
>>>
>>>> As an unreconstructed marxist, I view the tide of religiosity
>>>> sweeping the world as a more effective, genuinely popular form of
>>>> what
>>>> fascism attempted.
>>> Douglas Barbour
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>>> Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9
>>> (780) 436 3320
>>>
>>> Whatıs receivedıs given out
>>> in smaller measure. The speaker as hearer
>>> comprehends what he canıt
>>> say, a music of what sounds him.
>>>
>>> Wayne Clifford
>>
>>
> Douglas Barbour
> 11655 - 72 Avenue NW
> Edmonton Ab T6G 0B9
> (780) 436 3320
>
> Whatıs receivedıs given out
> in smaller measure. The speaker as hearer
> comprehends what he canıt
> say, a music of what sounds him.
>
> Wayne Clifford
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