>From the point of view of bringing the user and the developer closer
together that is up to the project in Sourceforge. It provides space for a
project homepage or you can link to a web site hosted elsewhere. This can
be accessible as required.
I worry that perhaps wanting to host our own forge may mean we do not use
our limited resources in the best way. I think we need to look at building
community of developers and give them some projects to work on. The
community of users is going well. We need then to work out the best way to
get both communities working together.
If we could have two or three projects that we could try to find developers
for that used a number of different technologies then we could work on
managing these projects. If the OATS forge is not up to hosting them yet
then we should consider other options with the homepage hosted on OATS.
>From a user perceptive they would get the OATS look and feel while we could
let developers access things via Sourceforge or another open source forge.
This would allow us to spend time of the development of the communities and
not having to worry about how to fund, manage and maintain a forge.
Jason
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Sent: 20 March 2006 13:54
To: 'OATs Project Special Interest Group'
Subject: RE: [oats-sig] Oatsoft Pre-launch final changes
Because:
A) it hasn't so far
B) it is explicitly aimed at developers, not end users
C) there is no facility for creating or establishing communities across
projects (just categories), unless I missed something.
D) it is not accessible (check out the w3c validation for your ticket:
http://tinyurl.com/nyl56 (-:
E) it doesn't bring the user and developer any closer together
F) well, why not give people dev tools somewhere other than
sourceforge/equivalents
That said, yes, cool, lets get an accessibility category, however, in the
spirit of 'there isn't necessarily one single right approach' lets
cross-link and encourage people to check out OATS and vice-versa... ?
Cheers
Simon
Clinical Scientist
ACT
0121 627 1627 ex 53245
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Sent: 16 March 2006 19:41
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Oatsoft Pre-launch final changes
Why do you say sourceforge wont do this?
what efforts have been made?
Surely if enough project were approached they'd roll over quietly,
the potential negative publicity would be horrendous.
anyway I've logged a ticket here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?
func=detail&aid=1451595&group_id=1&atid=200001
and of course comments are welcome ~:"
cheers
Jonathan Chetwynd
On 16 Mar 2006, at 18:35, Judge Simon wrote:
Hiya,
In general, remember, we never get things right first time and this is a
pilot project. The objective is to help us learn more about the
challenges
of encouraging the Open Source development model within AT. I strongly
believe you can't learn without trying (well, I can't at least!). That
said, I think we've got a bloody good product and am willing to start
selling it and i'm not ashamed! Already this project has got people
thinking
and had some productive spin offs.
Taking the points one by one:
Marketing speak - fine, fair point, please log on and change it
(someone) -
this site is collaborative! That said, I stand by the points, with
provisos
(like any marketing statement it can be argued any way given the right
perspective).
How to add a project - check out:
http://www.oatsoft.org/Info/HowTos/SubmissionGuide/ . Again, if you find
something that could be worded differently or more helpfully please
comment/change. I am also aware of the need for further
documentation and
content on the site to explain things like this. This was the nature
of my
plea for help about 3/4 weeks ago. I also need to better document the
templates for adding projects, this is on Trac as a ticket.
Sourceforge - Yes there is a problem with sourceforge. We want to
develop a
community of AT users and developers, sourceforge wont do this.
Trac - see Andy's points. Trac isn't meant for end users
particularly and
PloneBugTracker is installed for every project as an alternative. I
think
it is a bit friendlier (though we are yet to formally decide to
change to
this as a team). It also removes some of the automation issues Andy was
mentioning and we need to resolve the rest of these.
Anyway, hope that helps, we need all input, so keep it coming and
bear in
mind i'm answering this after a long day of seeing clients!
I'll reiterate my plea for more content, and thanks to those who have
already added... Let's hope that we can get the ball rolling and
actually
end up with a sustainable and valuable site.
(-;
Cheers
Simon
Clinical Scientist
ACT
0121 627 1627 ex 53245
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[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jonathan
Chetwynd
Sent: 16 March 2006 12:18
To: OATs Project Special Interest Group
Subject: Re: [oats-sig] Oatsoft Pre-launch final changes
Stephen,
Oats is maturing, however....
I'm concerned by the use of exaggerated claims such as:
>> The OATS project is the world's first site dedicated to Open
Source Assistive Technology Software.
and
>> The world's ONLY area dedicated to developing Assistive Technology
software.
these assertions aren't even close to the truth, and merely devalue the
product.
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How to add a development project to Oats ?
e.g. Seascape: Communicate through drawing - An SVG editor with a GUI
designed for children and adults who are pre-literate.
https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=155197
Is there a problem with sourceforge? it's true that accessibility doesn't
get a huge plug, but sourceforge already took me a while to handle ~:"
I did check the trac link but found there is no register button.... I
searched further and found >> Email me if you want access
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but this isn't a natural way to encourage growth.
Sorry Andy, no reflection on you...
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It's a huge task, and I apologies for not having more encouraging comments.
best wishes
Jonathan Chetwynd
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