Yuk,
happy birthday! Indeed,
Anny
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 3:05 AM
Subject: Re: Local Poetic Culture
> I'm slow on the responses these last few days Rebecca as I and my aides
> have
> been busy on detective work, but now, as it's 1.40 in the morn here, and
> that we are now (again now, but for the first time this) within a hair's
> breath of the identity of the psycho-drug-dealer, who would cut me up,
> bleed
> me, skin me, because of an incident begat of a dodo, and have also
> uncovered
> stuff I wouldn't have imagined a week ago about local affairs in the
> process, and too the ban on me at the Arts Centre is going to be
> discreetly
> lifted, in that inimitable 'English' style which consists of behaving as
> if
> it never happened in the first place and let's hope nobody notices, but
> now,
> as I said before, but repeat for a first breathing space, a stop-gap just
> gasped at, but now again, I feel much that can be said apropos your post,
> I
> like it, I can feel the too much-again of the world coming on in all the
> observations, the percepts, the sketches of individuals and actualities,
> that crowd, throng, bustle, jostle to be let in, that that that (like
> that?!) swamps articulation in its recursive generations of tales to tell,
> that as that I am almost two hours into my year fifty-one, for it is my
> birthday and my sentence is more than half-done, it is perhaps
> appropriate,
> in lieu of future parentheses, that now I
>
> pause and take breath.
>
> All the Best
>
> Dave
>
> (all the above means is that I'll get back to you on this stuff anon,
> time,
> memory and concentration permitting!)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rebecca Seiferle" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 10:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Local Poetic Culture
>
>
>> Ok, Dave, thanks for your posts, and on the actuality of the dodo man.
>> And
> I
>> understand your point about local tastes running the show.
>>
>> But underneath my weird sense of humor was the sense that in a way you
> were
>> 'making up' the dodo man, not in his actuality, but as a target, since
>> his
> poem
>> posted here shows him up and also he's not on the list to reply nor is
> anyone
>> here likely to argue for him. And I find that troublesome, the straw
>> dummy
> one
>> can easily demolish in a likeminded, insulated environment, though you do
> take
>> care in your later posts to explain that you have no quarrel with him,
>> and
> have
>> tried to be supportive of his work, by making suggestions. But it just
> brings it
>> back to the issue of the local tastes trying to throw you out of the pub,
> and it
>> sounds like the dodo man had nothing to do with it. . .
>>
>> Just my take on it; now I'm going back to work!
>>
>> best,
>>
>> Rebecca
>>
>>
>> ---- Original message ----
>> >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:22:08 -0000
>> >From: David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Subject: Re: Local Poetic Culture
>> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >
>> >A few further discriminations, Rebecca:
>> >
>> >recently I wrote lauding a reading by people who'd survived the mental
>> >health system, praising it for their courage to find some expression
> despite
>> >their lack of articulacy. Again I posted a poem a while back by a friend
> of
>> >mine who suffers from cerebral palsy and illness which, although it does
>> >diminish her ability to conceptualise, does affect the language centre
>> >of
>> >the brain and thereby the ability to put concepts into words. In both
>> >instances, although the result is not 'poetry' it is something that is
>> >humanly authentic and, in my book, worthy of support.
>> >
>> >But the balancing act in discrimination is to differentiate such from
>> >the
>> >inanity of consumer culture in which poetry becomes rhyming doggerel
>> >presided over by the Muse of Christmas cards.
>> >
>> >The work of the English poet Peter Reading is an interesting example of
>> >a
>> >writer embattled in the clash of his aesthetic with the
> anti-intellectualism
>> >of popular culture: this puts some odd strains on his writing (for
> example,
>> >one critic has accused him of projecting a kind of right-wing agenda,
>> >although the poet is most certainly not so)
>> >
>> >Best
>> >
>> >dave
>> >
>> >
>> >----- Original Message -----
>> >From: "Rebecca Seiferle" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 4:06 AM
>> >Subject: Re: Local Poetic Culture
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ok, Dave, call me a skeptic, but this is getting a bit far-fetched,
> Dodo,
>> >and all,
>> >> maybe I've been on the internet too long but this being 'skinned'
> sounds a
>> >bit
>> >> like playing the 'they're (could just as easily be 'he' or 'she', not
> to
>> >discriminate
>> >> among pronouns) after me' to the hilt, and, well, does this K. Barry
>> >_exist_? and
>> >> what 'local' poetic culture? you mean this small village where they
> like
>> >to eats
>> >> birds?
>> >>
>> >> Well, sorry, if I'm not taking this seriously enough. But I like
>> >> dodos,
>> >who says
>> >> they're extinct?
>> >>
>> >> best,
>> >>
>> >> Rebecca
>> >>
>> >> ---- Original message ----
>> >> >Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 23:45:34 -0000
>> >> >From: David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> >Subject: Local Poetic Culture
>> >> >To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> >
>> >> >Slightly recovered here now, as matters have now risen to the level
>> >> >of
>> >> >apparent death-threats to me, or at least being 'cut up' or 'bled' or
>> >> >'skinned' by persons unknown. I might re-iterate that behind all this
> was
>> >my
>> >> >lack of veneration for a local poet, who, I must add, was in now way
>> >> >directly responsible for what developed, and is from all reports
>> >> >quite
>> >> >appalled by it all, but my original crime, which has now been
> compounded
>> >> >from talking too loud without respect to ruining a drug-dealer's
>> >> >pitch
>> >and
>> >> >trade in our dear arts centre, hence the alleged threats (if real)
>> >> >
>> >> >but here's an example of the maestro's work, for not liking which
>> >> >sufficiently I have been hit, threatened, insulted, barred, vilified
> and
>> >> >generally trod upon:
>> >> >
>> >> >The Dodo
>> >> >
>> >> >It's sad the dodo is extinct
>> >> >when once the creature winked and blinked
>> >> >and in a manner so succinct;
>> >> >
>> >> >on that far-off Mauritius isle
>> >> >the sailors treated dodos vile -
>> >> >were only out to make a pile
>> >> >
>> >> >they introduced domestic pets
>> >> >and caught the dodo in their nets,
>> >> >on its survival hedged their bets
>> >> >
>> >> >and, growing grossly overweight -
>> >> >its diet got in such a state -
>> >> >ship's crews ate dodos off a plate!
>> >> >
>> >> >With quaint physique it might have filled
>> >> >the place of some bright bird that trilled
>> >> >of slimmer, more athletic build
>> >> >
>> >> >but that was not to be the case -
>> >> >odd beaks and feet, and funny face,
>> >> >it's disappeared without a trace!
>> >> >
>> >> >from 'Building New Bridges'
>> >> >
>> >> >copyright K. Berry 2000.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >best
>> >> >
>> >> >Dave
>
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