Why, thank you, David.
Personally, I'm waiting for Marcus to put his money where his mouth is.
joanna
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: Money and poetry
>I think that's very unfair on Joanna, Marcus.
>
> Dave
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> From: "Marcus Bales" <[log in to unmask]>
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> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 1:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Money and poetry
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>> On 13 Jan 2006 at 12:18, Joanna Boulter wrote:
>> > Now I didn't say a thing about making publication dependent on
>> > subscription, which is something I am of course dead against. I merely
>> > find it rather odd that people can write poetry and submit it to
>> > magazines, in full expectation of getting it published, without having
>> > sufficient interest in poetry publication to want to subscribe.
>>
>> What seems so odd to me in these repetitions of the familiar old things
>> in this discussion is the way that the poetry editors/magazines want to
>> have it both ways. They want credit for the noble endeavor of working
>> for free in a gift economy, but they also want money to pay for labor and
>> materials. The conflict between these two wants means that it can seem
>> as if those editors who charge money for subscriptions and ads cannot
>> be very serious about participating in a gift economy. It's really hard
>> to
>> see how any of those who charge money can deny that they are in a
>> money economy relation to their work. So the question becomes, for me,
>> why those editors don't spend a good deal more time selling
>> subscriptions and ads in order to support their endeavors -- or hiring
>> people on commisison who will sell for them. It's not as if the model of
>> how to run a magazine for money is absent. Don't the people who write
>> poems buy cars and plants and pictures and vacations and home
>> furnishings? Has anyone ever tried to take the academic demographic
>> to businesses, and point out that the people who write poetry own
>> homes and work in offices and drive cars and all the other things that
>> other consumers do?
>>
>> Marcus
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