Mark,
I wonder if you can give a more specific URL for the Crowley article you
site below. The link just brings up the Lashtal main page, and I was
unsuccessful in trying to find the article. Thanks.
susan
At 11:58 PM 1/8/2006, you wrote:
>Thank you for your response. I also don't recall
>Crowley citing James directly, but as you mention,
>their methods are markedly similar. Crowley and Jung's
>work has much in common as well, particularily in the
>realm of the phenomenology of consciousness. This
>thesis does a good job of dicussing Crowley and Jung's
>commonality, and tries to paint Crowley as an early
>"Anthropologist of Consciousness."
>
>Magick/Liber Aba and Mysterium Conjunctionis: A
>Comparison of the Writings of Aleister Crowley and C G
>Jung.
>(http://www.lashtal.com/nuke/modules.php)
>
>
>--- Patric Gavin <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > It's interesting that I'm not the only one who's
> > made the connection between
> > James' Radical Empiricism and a fairly large number
> > of statements made by
> > Crowley. I couldn't come up with specific ones right
> > now besides the Liber O
> > (was it?) preface you allude to, but I recall many
> > statements in
> > Magickparallel James' ideas very strongly. Oddly, I
> > see Crowley refer
> > directly to
> > Kant, Berkeley, and other idealist philosophers far
> > more than James (I can't
> > actually recall a single James reference offhand),
> > but his practical
> > orientation is distinctly pragmatist, at least in
> > his earlier work.
> >
> > Perhaps those who've read more of Crowley's journals
> > might know for sure,
> > but I'm presently wondering whether James influenced
> > Crowley, or if Crowley
> > was actually an independent development of pragmatic
> > thought. The latter
> > seems unlikely, but it certainly would be
> > interesting.
> >
> > Personally, I'm a huge fan of James in particular
> > among the pragmatist
> > philosophers precisely for his Radical Empiricism.
> > Cool to find someone else
> > who seems to really know that part of his work.
> >
> > - 'L
> >
> > On 1/4/06, Mark Shekoyan <[log in to unmask]>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > [. . .]
> > > If we did this, could we tease out new dynamic and
> > > vital insights? Of course, much of this would have
> > to
> > > be based on praxis as well as theory for it to be
> > > meaningful. The method of "Scientific Illuminism"
> > > Crowley posited bares a marked resemblance to the
> > > radical empiricism of William James....By doing
> > > certain things, certain results follow. Maybe we
> > might
> > > repeat some of Crowleys experiments and then see
> > what
> > > results follow for us? Can we test and verify as
> > one
> > > does in the natural sciences?
> > >
> > > That seems to be one of the basic things that sets
> > > magick apart from mere ideology.
> >
> > [. . .]
> >
>
>
>
>
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