Isn't it usual for negotiators to try to foresee the consequences of failure *before* they start negotiations? 

Gordon.


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>>> Donald Mackay <[log in to unmask]> 19/05/2006 16:26:25 >>>
Patricia

You are quite right.   We should all send comments to NLH ([log in to unmask]) as requested.  However that is very different to emailing, "directly to Ben Toth", or perhaps I misunderstood the meaning of the orginal posting that I responded to (entirely likely as it is Friday afternoon after all....).

D

(All opinions still purely in a personal capacity)

Donald M Mackay
Head of Health Care Libraries
Oxford University Library Services

The Cairns Library
The John Radcliffe Hospital
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Oxford
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>>> Rey Patricia <[log in to unmask]> 19/05/2006 15:53:08 >>>
Donald

I received the following:

"Ben Toth, Director of the National Knowledge Service, has been negotiating
with the Copyright Licensing Agency regarding the NHS Copyright License.
Below is a communiqué from the NKS. The National Library for Health is keen
to hear your views on the current situation. Please send any comments to
[log in to unmask] All views will be collated and a report will be
submitted to the National Knowledge Service."

So I have sent my comments to NLH ([log in to unmask]) as requested. If
we do not alert those who are undertaking the negotiations to the
implications of the loss of the licence, they will be negotiating on our
behalf from a position of ignorance.

However, I am not advocating that we all bombard them with copies of other
people's emails, simply that we point out the impact this is likely to have
on our service, our users and patients. 

Tricia Rey
Library Services Manager
Queen Victoria Hospital NHS Foundation Trust
East Grinstead
Tel: 01342 414266
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-----Original Message-----
From: Donald Mackay [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: 19 May 2006 15:27
To: [log in to unmask] 
Subject: Re: CLA licence and core content

Given that none of us know exactly what happened in the course of
negotiations between the NHS and the CLA (and presumably a lot of it is
confidential) I don't really see any benefit in bombarding Ben Toth with
emails.  I would imagine that he and his colleagues are already very
aware of the concerns raised by members of this list and others.

Any kind of high level negotiation is extremely complicated.  If Ben is
still talking to the CLA on behalf of NHS librarians I would imagine
that the last thing he needs is a mailbox full of emails like this one
to distract him, so I'll not be ccing this to him as suggested.

Personally I feel that the NLH team and colleagues have reacted with
admirable speed considering that the breakdown in negotiations may have
been as much a surprise to them as to the rest of us.  If it is a
funding issue, it's hardly their fault that the NHS is going through
some difficult times at the moment.

Regards,

Donald

(All opinions purely in a personal capacity)


Donald M Mackay
Head of Health Care Libraries
Oxford University Library Services

The Cairns Library
The John Radcliffe Hospital
Headley Way 
Oxford
OX3 9DU

01865 221950
01865 221941 (fax)

>>> "Woodley Zena (RQ8) Mid Essex Hospital" <[log in to unmask]>
19/05/2006 13:17 >>>
I could suggest you email this directly to Ben Toth....
In fact, everyone who's posted with queries (to whatever list) upon
this
topic should cc him: he can give us the benefit of his expertise,
while
he gauges the extent of the work  - and worry - he's caused....
yours, wide-eyed & waiting, Zena...
Zena Woodley B.A.(Joint Hons), MCLIP 
Library Resources Manager 
The Warner Library 
Broomfield Hospital 
Chelmsford CM1 7ET 
T: 01245-514310 
e : [log in to unmask] 

	-----Original Message-----
	From: UK medical/ health care library community / information
workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Richard
Holmes
	Sent: 19 May 2006 11:29
	To: [log in to unmask] 
	Subject: [LIS-MEDICAL] CLA licence and core content
	
	
	My apologies for bringing up the whole CLA licence thing again,
but I'm unsure how this applies to the core content resources. Are we
allowed to print the articles for our users (some GP surgeries still
don't have easy access to Internet-capable PCs) and post them on? I
ask
because it's changing the original format the article is available in
(i.e. the reverse of scanning and e-mailing a printed article). Do we
still have to adhere to the rules of fair dealing if acquiring core
content articles on behalf of users (i.e. only provide one article per
issue and only after receiving a signed declaration form)?
	 
	Any clarification would be most appreciated.
	 
	Thank you,
	 
	Richard.
	 

	
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