But there would be time to read......I'm sure my family would send books in....Hello, CLA, I want to confess.....
Chrissy Allott
(Librarian)
Healthcare Library
Prospect Park Hospital
Honey End Lane
Reading RG30 4EJ
Tel: 0118 960 5015
Fax: 0118 960 5014
Did you know that your local health library offers
Help and advice from skilled staff
Journal and book collections - electronic as well as traditional
Study space and internet access
Training courses and current awareness services
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
Sent: 18 October 2006 15:16
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Copyright
If you land up in the prison that housed Pete Doherty there wouldn't be a
library, as he's pinched all the books. Or you could be even unluckier &
find yourself in the prison that housed Lord Archer - the library would be
nothing but his books. ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Osborne, Ann
Sent: 18 October 2006 15:08
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Copyright
On the other hand - wouldn't we all be extremely well qualified for a job in
prison? To say nothing of our diverse experience .....
Ann
Ann Osborne
Knowledge/Library Services Manager
The Queen Elizabeth Hospital King's Lynn NHS Trust.
Tel. 01553 613792 Fax. 01553 613883
email - [log in to unmask]
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Juliet Brown
Sent: 18 October 2006 14:20
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Copyright
Malclom - you are too much of an optomist, maybe we should just work on a
break-out team to spring the unfortunates?....
Cheers, J
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
Sent: 18 October 2006 13:13
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Copyright
Perhaps we could donate some of the back pay from Agenda for Change?
:-)
malcolm
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Juliet Brown
Sent: 18 October 2006 13:07
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Copyright
Perhaps staff might be eligible for legal aid - we are not highly paid after
all (calculator for legal aid is here, but it is pretty stringent
http://www.clsdirect.org.uk/legalhelp/calculator.jsp?lang=en ) or maybe the
librarians of the NHS and beyond might consider helping with
expenses/freedom campaigns...........
Cheers, Juliet
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Woodley Zena (RQ8) Mid
Essex Hospital
Sent: 18 October 2006 12:10
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Copyright
I agree, Malcolm!
But the fly in this particular jar of unguent is the cost of taking it to
court......
Zena Woodley B.A.(Joint Hons), MCLIP
Library Resources Manager
The Warner Library
Broomfield Hospital
Chelmsford CM1 7ET
T: 01245-514310
e : [log in to unmask]
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
Sent: 18 October 2006 11:14
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [LIS-MEDICAL] Copyright
The CLA seem to be getting more & more desperate & bullying in their
arguments & would seem to be seeking to overturn years of custom & practice
by declaring it wrong. Their arguments & 'information' (actually opinion)
presented in the FAQs don't answer the questions. For example, they don't
define 'Fair' - just say what it isn't.
If their definition of 'research' was applied it would prohibit most
photocopying carried out by individuals in most libraries - it implies, for
example, that if you photocopy the results of a 'Which' test on toasters you
are not carrying out research. "Furthermore, CLA believes that the law
requires that the research purposes be your own, not those of or for your
employer" - this clearly wipes out all (or 99.9999999%) of the photocopying
carried out in NHS libraries. However. they say that 'Private study' "must
be study for personal/private use and not, for example, study in the course
of employment or study which assists in the development of a career." This
means that I could photocopy material from my library on Michaelangelo if I
am pursuing a structured investigation into his methods of fresco painting
(ie "a diligent and systematic pursuit of the study of principles or
facts"), but not if I just had a general interest in his work. I would not
be able to make photocopies of journal articles on management if I was
studying for an MBA, as this would clearly be aimed at career development. I
couldn't make a copy of an article on introducing a new enquirey service in
a health library, as that (a) wouldn't be part of a "diligent & sytematic
etc" and (b) would be research for my employer.
It shouldn't be forgotten that they are simply giving their own
interpretation of the law. Others can interpret it differently. The
definitive interpretation results from a court case where the two
interpretations can be argued & a judge decide in favour of one or the
other.
-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Gordon Smith
Sent: 17 October 2006 14:12
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Copyright
Previous discussion seems to assume that (reasonably) innocent librarians
will be able to grass on copyright infringing Trusts. The trouble is that
librarians ain't that squeaky clean, if you look at the CLA site.
Try http://www.cla.co.uk/licensing/gov/gov_nhs_copyright_faqs.html and
http://www.cla.co.uk/licensing/gov/gov_nhs_nolicence_faqs.html
(I hope I've typed these correctly). I rather assumed that we went back to
roughly the pre-licence days, but it appears not.
So do you have any library users with a grudge? See you in clink, perhaps
:-)
Gordon.
Gordon Smith
The Sally Howell Library
Epsom General Hospital
Dorking Road
Epsom, Surrey, KT18 7EG
Tel. 01372-735688, Fax 01372-735687
NULJ=HOWE, HLN=EP
"What power have you got?
Where did you get it from?
In whose interests do you exercise it?
To whom are you accountable?
And how can we get rid of you?"
----- Mr Tony Benn (Chesterfield)
Commons Hansard 22 Mar 2001,
col. 510 [quoting himself]
>>> "Rowley, Margaret (Charles Hastings)"
<[log in to unmask]> 16/10/2006 16:37 >>> I see that
NLH is now having further discussions with the CLA re a copyright agreement
(NLH Web Site 16/10). We will be hearing the results in early November.
Don't make plans to spend that £20,000 reward money yet!
Margaret Rowley BSc MA MCLIP DMS
Head of Knowledge Management
Worcestershire Health ICT Services
Rowlands Library
Charles Hastings Education Centre
Worcestershire Royal Hospital
Charles Hastings Way
Worcester
WR5 1DD
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01905 763333 ext 33765
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