Both products are part of MA Healthcare so its not a question of the jnl pulling out of a service.
This is, I think, an inherent problem with subscribing to services - in that if the journal disappears from the service then you lose all access including to those issues that you think you have paid for. As seen numerous times with proquest.
We now have a hole in our holdings of DTB as when the DoH did not renew their sub the archive was also lost - now this I cannot understand.
So far all I have seen is evidence for not cancelling print subs in favour of electronic ones and if this means I don't have the funds to pay for electronic access then so be it, at least you only have to pay for print once and its yours to keep (sticky fingered users not withstanding).
Rowena Perry
Library Manager
Health Informatics Shared Services
Healthcare Library
Prospect Park Hospital
Honey End Lane
Reading RG30 4EJ
Tel: 0118 960 5020
Fax: 0118 960 5014
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From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Andy Richardson
Sent: 11 October 2006 13:22
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: MA HealthCare Ltd - British Journal of Midwifery
When we were forced down the line of having to locally enquire about buying Internurse because MA Healthcare tanked up there renewal prices out of all proportion for National Core Content - one of the things I wanted was individual pricing for journals within InterNurse. MA Healthcare refused to offer anything other than the whole collection - so at least we now could have the chance to buy BJM separately. Not that we have any money - just in case NHS London staff start asking me!!! Perhaps losing BJM may change MA Healthcare's all or nothing policy!!!
Yes they have sort of got us over a barrel - but collective refusal to subscribe is an alternative. Probably not in our professional make up though, collectively organising to refuse to supply something... - so they have got us over a barrel...
Quick look at our London regional catalogue gives me 27 live BJM subscriptions - don't know the the institutional print sub as their website asks you to register for a quote but those of you who do, times it by 27 - and if libraries don't subscribe they lose that money... I'm a bit radical - which is fortunate for the rest of my professional colleagues and midwives in London!!! - plus I'm not at the coal face telling them why they can't see BJM!
What actually does surprise me is the fact that publishers are not aware of the massive reductions in library funding across all sectors. I hope everyone with a subscription emails the editor of BJM and makes them totally aware of the fact that print funding is disappearing and as for buying it electronically....
I often hear that the Royal Colleges insist on specific journals being made available at Trusts for students and staff - perhaps direct complaint about specified journals to them might be a way forward - the more people moaning direct to the publisher can only help
If anyone at BJM is lurking on this list and would like to give valid reasons why they've pulled out of Internurse and why they've priced their product at such a price I'm sure a venue can be arranged! One of the problems is that publishers never ever talk direct to libraries - as they tend to deal with subscription agents. Come out into the real world guys and justify yourselves!
Grumpy of London
Andy Richardson
Electronic Services Manager
eKAT (electronic Knowledge Access Team)
NHS London
South Bank Technopark
90 London Road
London
SE1 6LN
0207 593 0117
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>>> Linda Woolgrove <[log in to unmask]> 10/11/06 10:00 am >>>
>I thought that people on LIS-MED might be interested to see an email sent
>out by my colleague to LIS-E-JOURNALS and join in the debate!
Linda
>-----Original Message-----
>From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lesley Crawshaw
>Sent: 10 October 2006 16:44
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: MA HealthCare Ltd - British Journal of Midwifery will no longer be
>part of internurse.com but is on intermid.co.uk at extra cost!
>
>Hi,
>
>We have a current subscription to internurse.com where we've been able to
>access the British Journal of Midwifery alongside other key nursing
>journals.
>
>We have just received a letter and a beautifully illustrated guide informing
>us that the British Journal of Midwifery is now being hosted on a new site,
>intermid.co.uk, which is already up and running, and guess what, the British
>Journal of Midwifery will no longer be available on internurse.com from
>2007.
>
>Whilst there is an introductory offer until the 31st January 2007 which
>enables subscribers to subscribe to both resources at a special price of
>£5242.50 for 2007, once that offer has expired subscribers will have to find
>an extra £1700 + VAT in order that their midwives can access the British
>Journal of Midwifery on the new site.
>
>We are extremely concerned here at the University of Hertfordshire that this
>journal is going to be removed from internurse.com at the end of this year,
>and that in order to continue to access the electronic version of the
>British Journal of Midwifery we are going to have to find additional funds
>to support it.
>
>We are also concerned that other journals could be peeled off the
>internurse.com service onto other sites in the future that will require
>additional funding be found.
>
>There are several other MA Healthcare Ltd journals, which are now available
>as online only, but which aren't available in either internurse.com or
>intermid.co.uk, but only through separate sites. In each of theses cases the
>cost of the journal online has risen considerably over what the journal cost
>in paper e.g. Hospital Medicine now costs us over £1500 per year for online
>access whereas the print used to cost about £300 e.g. International Journal
>of Therapy and Rehabilitation currently costs us £300 in print, but the
>publisher wants £1500 for online access. Whilst we could just about justify
>moving Hospital Medicine to online only, we can't justify moving the more
>specialised International Journal of Therapy and Rehabilitation to online
>only.
>
>Do others out there have concerns about the splitting off of journals from
>existing sites at an extra cost and rampant inflation in the price of
>journals that move to online only?
>
>As one of my colleagues has just said "they've got us over a barrel" with
>this title.
>
>Maybe we should just go back to print!
>
>Do others share our concern at this?
>
>Cheers
>Lesley
>
>
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>Learning and Information Services
>University of Hertfordshire, Hatfield, AL10 9AB
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