Hi Lesley
Related to this - how do you provide access for walk-in users? We're very vague and undecided here, and every time I read terms such as "together with other persons who are permitted to use the Licensee's library or information service and access the Secure Network but only from computer terminals located within the Licensee's Premises" I interpret it differently.
Thanks
Sandra
Sandra Morris
Electronic Information Development Officer
Subject Support & E-Library Team,
Information Services,
Hugh Owen Library,
University of Wales,
Aberystwyth,
Ceredigion, SY23 3DZ
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-----Original Message-----
From: An informal open list set up by the UK Serials Group [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lesley Crawshaw
Sent: 16 June 2006 14:16
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Subject: Re: Why is so Hard to Get License Details for the Electronic Journals/Electronic Component of Journal Subscriptions From Some Publishers - The Case of Academic Emergency Medicine - an Elsevier Journal
Hi,
Further to various emails on this subject I wanted to clarify that in the absence of a license we have to sign we really do require clear terms and conditions that explain exactly what rights we have to the material concerned. Some very good examples of terms and conditions do already exist on several publishers' web sites, including those of the RSM Press which can be found at: http://www.rsmpress.co.uk/onlineterms.htm. It is also very helpful for there to be a date that makes it clear the last time these were updated, as is the case with the RSM Press site.
Cheers
Lesley
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-----Original Message-----
From: Lesley Crawshaw [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 16 June 2006 10:14
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Subject: RE: Why is so Hard to Get License Details for the Electronic Journals/Electronic Component of Journal Subscriptions From Some Publishers
- The Case of Academic Emergency Medicine - an Elsevier Journal
Hi Wendy,
Thanks for this.
Our copyright and licensing officer informed me that these terms and conditions simply state the position which copyright law puts us in anyway, they do not give us additional rights and freedoms.
Cheers
Lesley
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Sent: 15 June 2006 14:25
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Subject: Re: Why is so Hard to Get License Details for the Electronic Journals/Electronic Component of Journal Subscriptions From Some Publishers
- The Case of Academic Emergency Medicine - an Elsevier Journal
You can find terms here: http://www.aemj.org/misc/terms.shtml
Most Highwire titles have a link to terms from the subscription activation page
Wendy Robertson
Systems Librarian, LIT
University of Iowa Libraries
USA
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Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 11:34 AM
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Subject: Why is so Hard to Get License Details for the Electronic Journals/Electronic Component of Journal Subscriptions From Some Publishers
- The Case of Academic Emergency Medicine - an Elsevier Journal
Hi,
Does anyone out there know if there is a license for Academic Emergency Medicine? If there is can I have a copy?
Before we place an order for a journal/deal that is e-only or which has an electronic component we have to investigate if a license is available for that journal or for that publisher's journals. Sounds easy doesn't it?
>From our perspective the license should clarify our rights as subscribers.
If there is a license we have to get our copyright and licensing officer to formally accept the license and get the relevant number of copies bound and signed and posted off to the publisher. We can then proceed and place the order with our agent.
If there isn't a license we have to try and get email confirmation from the publisher that a license isn't required or we have to try and clarify with the publisher what our rights to the electronic content are e.g. what content is available through a current subscription, will we retain archival rights if we cancel a subscription, does the publisher allow walk-in users, are ILLs permitted, is remote access permitted etc. etc.
All of this is extremely time-consuming, but is required by our institution for compliance with our University's procedures. I spend a lot of time these days trawling publishers' site trying to find out if a license exists. If I can't find this information I then spend a lot of time emailing publishers to find out this information. I get some quite amusing/bemusing answers - one said "what's a license!"
We want to order a print/online subscription to Academic Emergency Medicine, which is published by Elsevier, but which is not available through ScienceDirect. This is unfortunate as if this journal was available through ScienceDirect all we would need to do is to get it added to our current ScienceDirect license. However, it is one of the many Elsevier titles which still aren't on ScienceDirect. Why not?? Being an Elsevier title, one would have expected that there would be a formal license for all of their journals or am I being naļve?
Back in March I emailed [log in to unmask] as this was the email address given on the Highwire site for queries about institutional subscribers I found at: http://www.aemj.org/subscriptions/
I explained that I wanted to place an order an institutional print/online subscription to this journal through our agent and asked for clarification about whether there was a license for accessing their journal online. I explained that without this information I couldn't progress the order. I also asked whether this journal was going to be available on ScienceDirect.
I did get a reply to my email, but it didn't answer my questions. I emailed again asking whether unlimited access to this journal via IP through Highwire required a license. I received a reply advising me to go to the Highwire Press site where information on setting up access was located.
Basically we interpreted this as meaning that there wasn't a formal license, but only terms and conditions.
The requisition pack I have to prepare each time I place an order for a subscription is still sitting on my desk for this journal. I have now been advised to ask them if they will allow use under the terms of the NESLi2 Model License.
All this work, just to progress an order for one journal!
Cheers
Lesley
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