Hi all,
... and la souris est sous la table and le singe est sur la branche and I
will prove it with string and iodine and a note from my mother.
Perhaps Eddie Izzard should have the last few words ...? or ... Edward Hill
who states Drawing is a participation in the language of drawing.
Goodnight and yes this is not a pipe.
Phil Sawdon
Quoting Rachel Pearcey <[log in to unmask]>:
> If the giraffe moved it would just be being a giraffe
>
>
> On 21/7/06 19:29, "David Haley" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Sorry Rob, but that is a definition of pattern or form -the generic
> > (i.e. giraffe, human, dog, bicycle). Skin, hair, metal, rubber are
> > structure or materials.
> >
> > Now, if the giraffe moved, we might say the the giraffe was tracing its
> > presence in space, or giraffe making.
> >
> > David
> >
> > On 21 Jul 2006, at 16:24, Rob Appleby wrote:
> >
> >> A giraffe is not pattern, that would be like saying we are skin or
> >> hair rather than human
> >>
> >> rob
> >>
> >> On 21 Jul 2006, at 15:57, Duff, Leo wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dear David
> >>>
> >>> I agree with what you are saying as I too believe in 'connection' to
> >>> what we are doing , where we are etc and its influence on how we are.
> >>>
> >>> Learning to draw, practicing drawing and keeping drawing is about
> >>> looking / seeing and constant learning and certinaly helps fine
> >>> tune the senses to the place, where ever it is. So, the marks we
> >>> observe which are phenomenonology, or which are environmental or from
> >>> nature are noticed perhaps by those who draw regulalry more acutley
> >>> and interpreted in different ways. Just as photographers work with
> >>> composition and ''think'' with composition, a drawer interprets marks
> >>> of the sort this conversation today has been about ?
> >>>
> >>> best wishes leo
> >>>
> >>> ps. I agree, giraffe, that is a pattern. My favourite confusing
> >>> definition of a category of drawing is pattern versus texture.
> >>>
> >>> Leo Duff
> >>> Faculty of Art,Design & Architecture
> >>> Kingston University
> >>> Knights Park
> >>> Kingston Upon Thames
> >>> Surrey KT1 2QJ
> >>> UK
> >>>
> >>> 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8492
> >>> fax : 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8471
> >>>
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>
> >>> Leo, hi
> >>>
> >>> I continue to 'evolve' the notion of 'phenomenological drawing'.
> >>> Terrible name, but I use it to indicate the way in which things draw
> >>> themselves; and then how we might observe and reflect upon, and maybe
> >>> influence, these marks. It is part of my practice as an ecological
> >>> artist and is something I develop in my Postgraduate Option, 'Drawing
> >>> on Life' - how are we, as humans connected to our environment (ground
> >>> and object / object and ground)?
> >>>
> >>> All the best
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>>
> >>> On 21 Jul 2006, at 09:55, Duff, Leo wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I agree with your pupil, its a pretty tight and neat 'definition'.
> >>>>
> >>>> However, what about the more etheral or ephemeral ways of drawing.
> >>>> With these clear skies around where I live at present airplane jet
> >>>> trails make fabulous marks on the atmosphere (not entering a debate
> >>>> about global warming), marks on snow or on sand, and one of my
> >>>> favourites, shadows.
> >>>>
> >>>> I have in my office at Kingston an ever growing record of peoples
> >>>> works where they are pointedly attempting to 'Define Categories of
> >>>> Drawing'. if anyone is researching this subject I would be glad to
> >>>> share some of these with them .
> >>>>
> >>>> best wishes
> >>>>
> >>>> leo duff
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Leo Duff
> >>>> Faculty of Art,Design & Architecture
> >>>> Kingston University
> >>>> Knights Park
> >>>> Kingston Upon Thames
> >>>> Surrey KT1 2QJ
> >>>> UK
> >>>>
> >>>> 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8492
> >>>> fax : 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8471
> >>>>
> >>>> [log in to unmask]
> >>>>
> >>>> ________________________________
> >>>>
> >>>> From: The UK drawing research network mailing list on behalf of
> >>>> Rachel
> >>>> Pearcey
> >>>> Sent: Fri 21/07/2006 08:46
> >>>> To: [log in to unmask]
> >>>> Subject: Re: Definition of drawing
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Whatever makes a mark, on whatever takes a mark.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think I will embroider that on a cushion.
> >>>> Rachel
> >>>>
> >>>> On 21/7/06 8:38 am, "Rob Appleby" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>> Just thought I would share this with you all. An 11 year old
> >>>> pupil of
> >>>> mine managed to define drawing after about half an hour of thinking
> >>>> and discussing.
> >>>> She thinks it is .... Whatever makes a mark, on whatever takes
> >>>> a mark.
> >>>> The future looks bright!
> >>>>
> >>>> Rob Appleby
> >>>> [log in to unmask]
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> >>>> Skype: robapple
> >>>> www.12and13.co.uk
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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> >>> David Haley BA(Hons) MA FRSA
> >>>
> >>> Research Fellow
> >>> MA Art As Environment Programme Leader
> >>> SEA: Social & Environmental Arts Research Centre (MIRIAD)
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