If the giraffe moved it would just be being a giraffe
On 21/7/06 19:29, "David Haley" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Sorry Rob, but that is a definition of pattern or form -the generic
> (i.e. giraffe, human, dog, bicycle). Skin, hair, metal, rubber are
> structure or materials.
>
> Now, if the giraffe moved, we might say the the giraffe was tracing its
> presence in space, or giraffe making.
>
> David
>
> On 21 Jul 2006, at 16:24, Rob Appleby wrote:
>
>> A giraffe is not pattern, that would be like saying we are skin or
>> hair rather than human
>>
>> rob
>>
>> On 21 Jul 2006, at 15:57, Duff, Leo wrote:
>>
>>> Dear David
>>>
>>> I agree with what you are saying as I too believe in 'connection' to
>>> what we are doing , where we are etc and its influence on how we are.
>>>
>>> Learning to draw, practicing drawing and keeping drawing is about
>>> looking / seeing and constant learning and certinaly helps fine
>>> tune the senses to the place, where ever it is. So, the marks we
>>> observe which are phenomenonology, or which are environmental or from
>>> nature are noticed perhaps by those who draw regulalry more acutley
>>> and interpreted in different ways. Just as photographers work with
>>> composition and ''think'' with composition, a drawer interprets marks
>>> of the sort this conversation today has been about ?
>>>
>>> best wishes leo
>>>
>>> ps. I agree, giraffe, that is a pattern. My favourite confusing
>>> definition of a category of drawing is pattern versus texture.
>>>
>>> Leo Duff
>>> Faculty of Art,Design & Architecture
>>> Kingston University
>>> Knights Park
>>> Kingston Upon Thames
>>> Surrey KT1 2QJ
>>> UK
>>>
>>> 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8492
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>>>
>>> Leo, hi
>>>
>>> I continue to 'evolve' the notion of 'phenomenological drawing'.
>>> Terrible name, but I use it to indicate the way in which things draw
>>> themselves; and then how we might observe and reflect upon, and maybe
>>> influence, these marks. It is part of my practice as an ecological
>>> artist and is something I develop in my Postgraduate Option, 'Drawing
>>> on Life' - how are we, as humans connected to our environment (ground
>>> and object / object and ground)?
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On 21 Jul 2006, at 09:55, Duff, Leo wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with your pupil, its a pretty tight and neat 'definition'.
>>>>
>>>> However, what about the more etheral or ephemeral ways of drawing.
>>>> With these clear skies around where I live at present airplane jet
>>>> trails make fabulous marks on the atmosphere (not entering a debate
>>>> about global warming), marks on snow or on sand, and one of my
>>>> favourites, shadows.
>>>>
>>>> I have in my office at Kingston an ever growing record of peoples
>>>> works where they are pointedly attempting to 'Define Categories of
>>>> Drawing'. if anyone is researching this subject I would be glad to
>>>> share some of these with them .
>>>>
>>>> best wishes
>>>>
>>>> leo duff
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Leo Duff
>>>> Faculty of Art,Design & Architecture
>>>> Kingston University
>>>> Knights Park
>>>> Kingston Upon Thames
>>>> Surrey KT1 2QJ
>>>> UK
>>>>
>>>> 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8492
>>>> fax : 00 44 (0) 20 8547 8471
>>>>
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>>>> ________________________________
>>>>
>>>> From: The UK drawing research network mailing list on behalf of
>>>> Rachel
>>>> Pearcey
>>>> Sent: Fri 21/07/2006 08:46
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: Definition of drawing
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Whatever makes a mark, on whatever takes a mark.
>>>>
>>>> I think I will embroider that on a cushion.
>>>> Rachel
>>>>
>>>> On 21/7/06 8:38 am, "Rob Appleby" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> Just thought I would share this with you all. An 11 year old
>>>> pupil of
>>>> mine managed to define drawing after about half an hour of thinking
>>>> and discussing.
>>>> She thinks it is .... Whatever makes a mark, on whatever takes
>>>> a mark.
>>>> The future looks bright!
>>>>
>>>> Rob Appleby
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> David Haley BA(Hons) MA FRSA
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> Manchester Metropolitan University
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