Hello Margarida.  I gather Access to work a is a mechanisms that
individualise the disability problem, as the DSA system does in HE. Many
employees would only access to those funds when they  physically or
psychologically can not hide their impairment  any longer/ or when they are
close to being sucked. An interesting investigation would be to find out
whether the disabled who accessed those funds obtained  some sort of
promotion in their work place after that. In my view, disabled people are
not completely on their own, if they  accept the term and conditions of a
system that refuses to change to a social model. Best, Andy
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From: "Margarida Dolan" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: One to one tuition and LEAs


> Dear John,
> > after all, they're on their own when they leave
>
> Not necessarily- Access to work can support disabled individuals in the
> work place, and students leaving Uni can be made aware of this.
>
> Best regards,
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> Quoting John Conway <[log in to unmask]>:
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> > I don't think so Penny.  Those who want to come, do : those who don't
> > we never see again.  We're not forcing students to perpetuate
> > attendance; we are simply providing what they think they need, and we
> > do encourage them to attempt independence - after all, they're on
> > their own when they leave.
> >
> > Dr John S Conway
> > Disability Officer / Principal Lecturer in Soil Science / Chair,
> > Research Committee
> > Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester, Glos GL7 6JS
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> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Penny Georgiou
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 4:04 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: One to one tuition and LEAs
> >
> > Dear John,
> >
> > We are in danger of sounding like mothers who won't let go, and keep
> > our charges from the aspiration to go it alone. Yes, some students do
> > need support throughout their degree but that should be on the basis
> > of their specific learning needs and not automatically assumed on the
> > basis of a 'dyslexia' diagnosis, which can mean a whole range of
> > different consequences.
> >
> > Having the opportunity of asking specific questions about their
> > process of learning, for many students, provides enough missing links
> > to make the process of writing viable.
> >
> > Penny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> > on behalf of John Conway
> > Sent: Thu 08/06/2006 15:38
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: One to one tuition and LEAs
> >
> >
> >
> > There was a comment about support tutors not "editing" or "proof
> > reading" dyslexic students work and that they should have developed the
> > skills within whatever time was allocated [the notional 23 hours maybe].
> >
> > It's maybe worth stopping to consider the comment by one such tutor "if
> > they haven't developed the skills during 12-13 years at school - how is
> > a dyslexic tutor at an HEI going to remedy that in 23 hours?   Are we
> > employing magicians as study tutors?  Are schools totally and utterly
> > incompetent at teaching?
> >
> > Seems that the easiest answer would be to continue to provide support
> > throughout the degree.  Requiring a signed [by the student] time sheet
> > or invoice needs to be trusted by the LEA as proof of work undertaken.
> > Is there a hint that LEAs think HEIs are ripping them off?
> >
> > Also, in our experience, very few of the students here with DSAs
> > actually use much support - but those that do really benefit from it and
> > would probably crash and burn without it.  The long term cost of that
> > failure is probably far greater to society than a few hours of support.
> >
> > But why are LEAs reputedly being so difficult?  It's not their money is
> > it?  Do they perhaps get to keep what isn't spent on the student? ???
> >
> > [shouldn't have watched the Da Vinci Code - got the conspiracy bug]
> >
> > Dr John S Conway
> > Disability Officer / Principal Lecturer in Soil Science / Chair,
> > Research Committee
> > Royal Agricultural College, Cirencester, Glos GL7 6JS
> > 01285 652531 ext 2234  fax 01285 650219
> > http://www.rac.ac.uk/index.php?_id=590
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Penny Georgiou
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 3:04 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: One to one tuition and LEAs
> >
> > In the parable of the talents, which is one of my favourite bible
> > stories, moral purity does not lie with those who do nothing.
> > Universities are necessarily best placed to provide services to students
> > with disabilities: Education support workers, specialist learning
> > support, Assistive Technology training, Mentoring etc and so be the ones
> > to charge these to the DSA. Many of these services would not be
> > commercially or logistically viable for those working outside the
> > institution to run, so it is dangerous and absurd to attack that
> > principle.
> >
> > One occassionally hears from LEA officers of some practices that seem
> > difficult to justify, even from an institutional perspective. This
> > inevitably triggers drives in some quarters to scrutinise and curtail
> > all activities. Is there anything that can be done about that, rather
> > than making it difficult for all institutions to administer the deliver
> > of support services.
> >
> > It is not inappropriate for there to be an annual review of specialist
> > learning support, where the student does continue to take it up. Since,
> > needs assessors and assessment centres are not always the font of
> > knowledge, sainthood and efficiency, I am not sure that it is a good
> > idea for these items to wait upon them indiscriminantly. In this
> > instance, I think that the DO or study skills tutor should be the one's
> > to make the recommendation. However, it should be understood that if an
> > LEA officer feels that further justification is required in a particular
> > case, then the specific instance can be referred to the Assessment
> > Centre.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Discussion list for disabled students and their support staff.
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Claire Wickham, Centre
> > for Access and Communication Studies
> > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:38 PM
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: One to one tuition and LEAs
> >
> >
> > Well said Andy: thank you for reminding us all of the bigger picture and
> >
> > underlying principles,
> >
> > CLaire
> >
> > --On 08 June 2006 14:09 ? A Velarde <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
> > > Interesting. I just would like to place a thought, in the most
> > > speculative tradition. Yeah, lets take a cupa. The separation between
> > > assessment of individual needs (DSA assessment) vs assessment of
> > > barries (DO's job) may be theoretically possible but not realistic or
> > > practicle. DOs  do not conduct social model assessments (althoug some
> > > Universities believe they do so, they may be right) but duplicate
> > > individual assessments becuase their institutions send them clear
> > > signals that rather than being actors of organisational change they
> > > should keep to medicalise the condition of the disabled individual not
> >
> > > the disabled institution. Assessment of individual needs have been
> > > instrumental for the privatisation of an LEA function, and it is
> > > working reasonably well. At least  this appears to be the case if one
> > > counts how many companies have been established to support the
> > > disadvantaged. What appears that is not working is the Do's role
> > > applicable to Universities. This is a clear example of how government
> > > funding is being diverted to the private sector instead of supporting
> > > a social model.  Dos are not only underpaid (having to deal with
> > > 300-400 files per month, managing support workers, etc) but are a
> > > burger in the sandwish. It would change a bit if  HEFCE helps the Do's
> >
> > > function and support  their plea to updated their 1999 guidance (Base
> > > level
> > > provisions...) A clarification of their role/work load (post senda,
> > > postDES) would solve all these problems. This is something that if
> > HEFCE
> > > does not commit themself in doing this, noone would do. Unless of
> > course
> > > NADO wakes up.  Maybe one day.  Andy
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "LINDA WALKER" <[log in to unmask]>
> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 1:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: One to one tuition and LEAs
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi All
> > >
> > > Page 9 of the new (06/07) Bridging the Gap specifies "Your disability
> > > advisor should not carry out your DSA-needs assessment."
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > Linda Walker
> > > Blackpool & The Fylde College
> > > HE Support Co-ordinator
> > > Tel: 01253 504357
> > > minicom: 01253 355755
> > >
> > >>>> [log in to unmask] 06/08/06 11:25 am >>>
> > > Dear All
> > >
> > > This question has not gone away. Having talked to an LEA this morning,
> >
> > > they are intending to bring in a policy for 1:1 tuition based on a
> > > gospel truth attititude to the example of 23 hours quoted in Claire
> > > Jamieson's report.
> > >
> > > Despite the DfES assurance that recommendations will still be based on
> >
> > > student need, we need to be more pro-active about this now or the
> > > implications for the next academic year are not pleasant.
> > >
> > > Is anyone actually doing anything about this with the powers that be??
> > >
> > > Also, the LEA refuses to take Disability Officers recommendations and
> > > insists on going back to an Access Centre for even very small changes
> > > to recommendations - apparently DSOs are considered to have an
> > > interest if they are arranging a student's support. This is despite
> > > the DfES guidance to the contrary. Any comments?
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Liz
> > >
> > > Liz Thompson
> > > Learning Support Officer
> > >
> > > Student Services
> > > University of Brighton
> > > Room 2, Manor House
> > > Moulsecoomb Place
> > > Brighton BN2 4GA
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------
> > Claire Wickham,
> > Director: Centre for Access and Communication Studies University of
> > Bristol Union Building Queen's Road Clifton Bristol BS8 1LN
> >
> > Tel: 0117 954 5710/5705
> > Textphone: 0117 954 5715
> > Fax: 0117 954 5714
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