JiscMail Logo
Email discussion lists for the UK Education and Research communities

Help for ALLSTAT Archives


ALLSTAT Archives

ALLSTAT Archives


allstat@JISCMAIL.AC.UK


View:

Message:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Topic:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

By Author:

[

First

|

Previous

|

Next

|

Last

]

Font:

Proportional Font

LISTSERV Archives

LISTSERV Archives

ALLSTAT Home

ALLSTAT Home

ALLSTAT  2006

ALLSTAT 2006

Options

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Subscribe or Unsubscribe

Log In

Log In

Get Password

Get Password

Subject:

'Just in case' explained

From:

Stephen Senn <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Stephen Senn <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 22 Aug 2006 15:39:06 +0100

Content-Type:

text/plain

Parts/Attachments:

Parts/Attachments

text/plain (121 lines)

This was my original question

>"I shall take my umbrella just in case it rains later" is perfectly good 
>English and means 'I shall take my umbrella because it might rain'. 
>However, mathematicians and hence mathematical statisticians often use 
>'just in case' to mean something like 'provided that' or 'if and only if' 
>or 'uniquely under the circumstances that' or 'only in the case that' 
>which means something very different. If this were the everyday English 
>usage then the anti-pluviary strategy implied would involve only taking an 
>umbrella if it were raining rather than because it might.
>
>At least, that's my interpretation
>
>So some questions to the list regarding 'just in case'
>
>a) Do you agree with my understanding of the everyday English usage?
>b) Do you agree with my understanding of the mathematical usage?
>c) If so, does anybody know when this egregious error first crept into 
>mathematics?


I received 19 replies in 18 of which an opinion was expressed on point a)

Everybody replying agreed with a) although Michael Dewey pointed out to me 
that 'just' was superfluous for this meaning and John Whittington that use 
of 'just' also implied that the probability of rain was low. (18/18)

As regards b) 9 had not come across this usage but 4 had and of the 9, one 
had consulted a collegaue who was a mathematician who had come across it.

Kevin McConway sent this interesting set of comments

"(a) Yes, I agree, and so does the OED, which my university library
handily makes available to its staff and students on line.
(b) Yes.
(c) Hmm. It's not new. I would have said, before looking up the OED,
that it probably arose fairly recently from a non-native speaker of
English getting confused between "in case" and "in the case". But I'd
have been wrong, I think. In the online OED you can search for phrases,
and "just in case" in your mathematical sense appears (in the entry for
'"joint") in a quotation from "Mathematical Logic" by W.V. Quine, 1940.
(Quine was American and, I believe, a native English speaker.) It is
also there in this usage in other later quotations (under
"phenomenally", "rhematize" and "symmetric" (the last definitely
mathematical, saying "A binary relation on a set is an equivalence
relation just in case it is symmetric, reflexive and transitive"). But
there are many more quotations (the oldest being from 1924) that use the
phrase in your "everyday English" usage.

In the entry on 'case', the OED gives usages related to both of your
versions, i.e. "in case" meaning "in the case that", and "in case"
meaning "if it should prove that". Withough the "just" they aren't so
clearly differentiated, but the first seems to be rather older, earliest
quotation 1292, compared to c1400 for the second.

So what I now think is that both versions of "just in case" are correct
and both have a reasonably long history, but (and this isn't the OED,
it's me) the mathematicians' and logicians' use is now very rare outside
mathematical and philosophical contexts and would thus appear obscure
and potentially confusing to readers who had not come upon it before."

However David Hand said

"  I had thought that the usage you characterise as 'mathematical' was in 
fact 'American' rather than English.
Do grammar books have any view of the matter? "

It turns out that David is correct as Dennis Chanter had already cleared 
the matter up for me by drawing my attention to

'Mind the Gaffe' by R.L. Trask  (See, for example, 
http://books.guardian.co.uk/reviews/referenceandlanguages/0,,772010,00.html )
which has this to say

"In case....In Britain, in case is familiarly used to mean 'lest'...This is 
virtually incomprehensible to other users of English..In the USA, 'in case' 
is often used for 'if'..This too sounds very strange to other users of 
English. Another distinctively American habit, largely confined to 
academics, is the use of just in case to mean 'if and only if' "

So there you have it. Meaning b) is used by American academics including 
mathematicians. However, this is ironic, since the attempt to be 
mathematically precise introduces ambiguity, or downright puzzlement, 
outside the USA.

Finally, Keith Briggs asked for an example

Here is one from a recent paper in by Alex  London, Statist. Med. 2006; 
25:2869–2885


"Risks to individual research participants are reasonable just in case they 
(1) require the least amount of intrusion into the interests of 
participants that is necessary
in order to facilitate sound scientific inquiry and (2) are consistent with 
an equal regard for the basic interests of study participants and the 
members of the larger community whose interests that research is intended 
to serve." pp2877-2878


My thanks to Keith Briggs, Linda Hunt, Terry Orchard, Alan Reese, Malcolm 
Farrow, Albert Chau, Jan Poloniecki, John Whittington, Karen Jamieson, 
Kevin McConway, Jim Burridge, Michael Dewey, Dennis Chanter, Peter Jupp, 
Irene Stratton, Fenn Scott, Peter Lane, David Zucker and David Hand,

Stephen

Stephen Senn
Professor of Statistics

Department of Statistics
15 University Gardens
<http://www.gla.ac.uk>University of Glasgow
G12 8QQ

Tel: +44 (0)141 330 5141
Fax: +44(0)141 330 4814
email [log in to unmask]

Private webpage: http://www.senns.demon.co.uk/home.html  

Top of Message | Previous Page | Permalink

JiscMail Tools


RSS Feeds and Sharing


Advanced Options


Archives

April 2024
March 2024
February 2024
January 2024
December 2023
November 2023
October 2023
September 2023
August 2023
July 2023
June 2023
May 2023
April 2023
March 2023
February 2023
January 2023
December 2022
November 2022
October 2022
September 2022
August 2022
July 2022
June 2022
May 2022
April 2022
March 2022
February 2022
January 2022
December 2021
November 2021
October 2021
September 2021
August 2021
July 2021
June 2021
May 2021
April 2021
March 2021
February 2021
January 2021
December 2020
November 2020
October 2020
September 2020
August 2020
July 2020
June 2020
May 2020
April 2020
March 2020
February 2020
January 2020
December 2019
November 2019
October 2019
September 2019
August 2019
July 2019
June 2019
May 2019
April 2019
March 2019
February 2019
January 2019
December 2018
November 2018
October 2018
September 2018
August 2018
July 2018
June 2018
May 2018
April 2018
March 2018
February 2018
January 2018
December 2017
November 2017
October 2017
September 2017
August 2017
July 2017
June 2017
May 2017
April 2017
March 2017
February 2017
January 2017
December 2016
November 2016
October 2016
September 2016
August 2016
July 2016
June 2016
May 2016
April 2016
March 2016
February 2016
January 2016
December 2015
November 2015
October 2015
September 2015
August 2015
July 2015
June 2015
May 2015
April 2015
March 2015
February 2015
January 2015
December 2014
November 2014
October 2014
September 2014
August 2014
July 2014
June 2014
May 2014
April 2014
March 2014
February 2014
January 2014
December 2013
November 2013
October 2013
September 2013
August 2013
July 2013
June 2013
May 2013
April 2013
March 2013
February 2013
January 2013
December 2012
November 2012
October 2012
September 2012
August 2012
July 2012
June 2012
May 2012
April 2012
March 2012
February 2012
January 2012
December 2011
November 2011
October 2011
September 2011
August 2011
July 2011
June 2011
May 2011
April 2011
March 2011
February 2011
January 2011
December 2010
November 2010
October 2010
September 2010
August 2010
July 2010
June 2010
May 2010
April 2010
March 2010
February 2010
January 2010
December 2009
November 2009
October 2009
September 2009
August 2009
July 2009
June 2009
May 2009
April 2009
March 2009
February 2009
January 2009
December 2008
November 2008
October 2008
September 2008
August 2008
July 2008
June 2008
May 2008
April 2008
March 2008
February 2008
January 2008
December 2007
November 2007
October 2007
September 2007
August 2007
July 2007
June 2007
May 2007
April 2007
March 2007
February 2007
January 2007
2006
2005
2004
2003
2002
2001
2000
1999
1998


JiscMail is a Jisc service.

View our service policies at https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/policyandsecurity/ and Jisc's privacy policy at https://www.jisc.ac.uk/website/privacy-notice

For help and support help@jisc.ac.uk

Secured by F-Secure Anti-Virus CataList Email List Search Powered by the LISTSERV Email List Manager