Hi Jane
Don't disagree with any of the discussion especially given the context, and
think I would be signing the petition! Just providing a perspective of a
different situation where the absence of a lift works okay, in an existing
building, with no plans for refurbishment.
Rita
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Jane Simpson
Sent: 10 October 2006 09:31
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] GP Surgery on 1st and 2nd floors
Rita the argument is that the surgeries is on first and second floor because
the financial gains for ground floor units is high. The importance is not
which levels they are on, they have to be accessible Building Regulations
require all levels to be accessible, so a lift will be required. I wouldn't
try to fight for ground floor but try to obtain the best access possible, in
fact I don't like being in a ground floor room seeing my GP with people
walking past.
The size of lift, stairs positions, ability to comprehend, evacuation and
ability locate the surgery, etc, etc and other things are what is important
and I would argue they are relevant internal arrangements which planning
should be considering.
When considering the size of the lift B Regs argues that a 2000 x 1400 lift
will accommodate any chair. I would put a plea for a 2000 deep, not wide,
for this to be the case. The size does need to be considered in usage terms
as well, many people use lifts not just wheelchair users. I would try to
argue for a large lift to be provided because people may need to be
stretchered out (possibly!!) or to ensure that all people can access the
surgery.
Just some thoughts.
Jane
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Rita Newton
Sent: 10 October 2006 09:00
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Subject: Re: GP Surgery on 1st and 2nd floors
Dear All
Apologies, have missed some of the emails on this, so I'm probably going off
at a tangent.
Our GP surgery is on two floors.
If a person with an appointment is seeing a doctor who has his surgery on
that particular day upstairs, the person informs the receptionist that they
would prefer to see the doctor in a downstairs room, for which the surgery
always keep one downstairs room free (there will be at least
2 doctors upstairs at any one time), and the GP bobs downstairs to see the
patient because the computer tells him / her to do so. The patient does not
need to need to justify to the receptionist why the doctor should come
downstairs to see them.
This has been the everyday practice at the surgery for at least 20 years,
and in my experience the system works well.
Rita
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Anthony Rylands
Sent: 10 October 2006 08:34
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] GP Surgery on 1st and 2nd floors
Vin,
Any building in general terms always has to be fit for purpose in planning
terms. There would be an opportunity to argue that the standard of access at
upper floor level because of the need to use a lift would not be as good as
having facilities n the ground floor. The question will be is it good
enough... Here you may need to obtain support from any DoH, PCT or general
NHS guidance on health centre design.
It would be the role of the Planning Officer to assess the overall layout
and form of the development even though they will not deal directly with the
internal issues.
Anthony Rylands
Access Officer for Disabled People
North Somerset Council
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Sam Chapman
Sent: 10 October 2006 00:20
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Subject: Re: GP Surgery on 1st and 2nd floors
I hate to say this but, shouldn't the developer or/and architect taken into
consideration the fact that wheelchair an impaired mobility access issues
should be part of their design? Furthermore, the surgery being above ground
level, means that a lift be built into the design.
I am being very cynical here, but I suspect the developer or
owner/leaseholder are trying a fast one, maybe so that once the building is
put up, they apply for a grant or financial support etc to install a lift,
rather than include the lift in the cost of the building. That old often
heard lame excuse, that only young people live in the area, should clobbered
straight on the head with, Ok, so what happens if someone is disabled due to
an accident, or a parent has a disabled child?
If this is a planning proposal being put up for acceptance, stand your
ground and get them to try and justify why they should NOT fit a lift in the
building! A hydraulic lift as made by someone like Phoenix Lifts, is
considerably less than the traditional cable tethered OTIS type lift, and
someone should point the developer/owner/leaseholder or health authority in
their direction.
Sam Chapman
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