Is it possible to automatically save the inverse normalization
transformation matrix using the normalization button (rather than the
segmentation button) in spm5?
Stefano Marenco, MD
GCAP, Clinical Brain Disorders Branch,
NIMH
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-----Original Message-----
From: Volkmar Glauche [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 7:23 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [SPM] contrast coregistration to a (wfu_pickatlas) mask
If you use SPM5s "segment" to create the normalisation parameters, you
will also get the inverse parameter set which will map from MNI to
individual coordinates. The only thing to to is then to "write
normalised"
the MNI space ROI using the *_inv_sn.mat file from each individual
subject.
On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Joseph Maldjian wrote:
> Kelly,
>
> The pickatlas generates ROIs in MNI space. If you want to use the
> pickatlas ROIs in native space, you need to be able to apply an
> appropriate transformation matrix defining MNI -> native space.
> Although the information for this transformation exists in your
> normalization sn.mat file combined with your coregistration
> transformation matrix, SPM will not directly perform the reverse
> normalization procedure. There has been code posted by John Ashburner
> that allows you to compute the reverse normalization transformation
that
> takes into account any deformation fields in the normalization.
> You would have to apply this "inverse" normalization matrix to the
> pickatlas ROI, and then apply the inverse coregistration matrix from
> your step 5 to the ROI.
>
> Sounds bad, but that's part of the price for trying to use native
space
> with normalized ROIs. Someone out there may already have some useful
> code that does all this. We have a program that does the reverse
> normalization based on only Affine transformations (ignores
deformation
> fields).
>
> Hope this helps
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: SPM (Statistical Parametric Mapping)
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kelly Diederen
> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 8:51 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [SPM] contrast coregistration to a (wfu_pickatlas) mask
>
>
> Dear researchers,
>
> I analyzed my data using the following procedure:
>
> 1 realignment
> 2 statistics
> 3 estimation
> 4 results
> 5 coresgistration of the contrasts to the anatomical image
> 6 normalization of the coregistered contrasts to the T1
> template.
>
> I decided to normalize the contrasts at the end of the procedure
> to enable myzelf to look both at the normalized and non-normalized
data
> without doing two separate analysis'.
>
> Next to this I made a mask with the WFU_pickatlas in order to
> visualize the ROI's for further analysis. Since the pickatlas
generates
> normalized masks I can't use in the results section since my data
aren't
> normalized yet. Thats why I tried to coregister the masks with the
> contrasts after step 6.
> However this doesn't work, whichever way I tried it.
> Is there a way to do this with the pickatlas without normalizing
> the scans before the estimation (and without coregistration of the
mask
> with the functional scans before the estimation part)?
>
> Thank you in advance,
>
> Kelly Diederen
>
>
>
>
>
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Volkmar Glauche
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