Johanes
I would rather not make this ad hominem.
I have been in touch with both named co curators=
but apparently the project was basically the
work of only one of them.
The point I was really wanting to make that
if one wants to work in a way that basically says
that all material on the web is "raw material"
for an artists production, without any regard to
whether the authors agree to the re-use, then
I think to be intellectually consistent the curator needs to
also in return be willing to enter into a symmetric
process and engage the push back. Or perhaps
someone needs to go hack that site and make it
offensive to the curator !!!
And as I stated in my first post, I think my
main concern is the process of taking someone
else name= creating something in their name
and then publishing it on line.
Now of course in oral cultures, and in
much of the multiple author discourse, the
"original" author has no special status
( Shakespeare appropriated many of the
scripts that he re wrote in his own name) but
in this process the "originator" is erased from the
next step.
I guess I still come back that the inverse process=
publishing something in someones name= BECAUSE
it imbues the material with implied authority/credibility/
orginality= is nothing more than identify theft.
roger
On 6/16/06, Johannes Goebel <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> Are we allowed to learn the name of "one of the curators" - or maybe
> the name of the curator who is NOT the one who won't enter the
> discussion but who may not have been approached so far? I do not
> believe that the second approach would be invading the private sphere
> of the one of the curators nor that of the other one of the curators.
> Johannes Goebel
>
>
>
> On Jun 16, 2006, at 10:20 AM, roger malina wrote:
>
> > Dear Crumb
> >
> > For some time I have been in private
> > email discussion with one of the curators
> > of the ZKM project that we have been
> > discussing.
> >
> > I have asked him for permission to
> > make public our email exchanges
> > but he has refused, telling me that he
> > doesnt have time to deal with the
> > response or discussion.
> >
> > I think that when someone creates a public
> > act like this they must assume responsability
> > for dealing with any "push back". The
> > virtual world is full of real people. Having time
> > to create a public project but not having the
> > time to engage in discussion seems to be
> > not much fun. Its easy to have fun by yourself
> > at other peoples expense.
> >
> > He has appealed to freedom of speech
> > and fun as some of the background to
> > his project and doesnt understand why
> > some of the people whose texts have
> > been mashed without concurrence are
> > objecting.
> >
> > The Leonardo/OLATS Advisory Board
> > chaired by Marc Battier is discussing
> > whether we will request that all reference
> > that implies that Leonardo/OLATS has
> > agreed to participate in the project be
> > removed from their web site.
> >
> > roger malina
>
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